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davelufc
Member Posts: 1,374
Scratching me head here....
| Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| julied764 | Small blind | 10.00 | 10.00 | 4000.00 | |
| davelufc | Big blind | 20.00 | 30.00 | 2160.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| lee100 | Fold | ||||
| kaola | Fold | ||||
| cheeseman1 | Fold | ||||
| julied764 | Raise | 40.00 | 70.00 | 3960.00 | |
| davelufc | Call | 30.00 | 100.00 | 2130.00 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| julied764 | Bet | 80.00 | 180.00 | 3880.00 | |
| davelufc | Raise | 240.00 | 420.00 | 1890.00 | |
| julied764 | Raise | 420.00 | 840.00 | 3460.00 | |
| davelufc | ???? | ||||
Comments
Happened to me earlier anyway : (
If she has raised you and conveniently flopped a straight you have to pay it off here IMO. You can't fold 2 pair here.
You are beaten by
7-4 Unlikely hand
2-4 unlikely hand
6-6
5-5
3-3
2 of those hands involve the case cards. The first two are just unlikely but possible.
Maybe 5bet to 800 and snap call if she shoves. I'd be amazed if you were losing here
The straightforward option is to bang the lot in now. You're way ahead of her range and it saves you the trouble of worrying what to do on the turn or river...
The issue with that is that by making this 4-bet shove, or the raise to 800, you'll scare off her bluffing range and alot of the over-pairs too. People do tend to overvalue the over-pair, especially AA or KK, but in this situation alot of experienced players will get away from them.
I think I favour the call. It looks like you might be drawing and gives your opponent the chance to fire out on the turn and continue a bluff. There are a few scare cards that could come but there are more cards like an Ace, King or Queen that your opponent could hit or can try to represent. It's definitely a tough decision. 77 might call an all-in on the flop but might not get it in after an overcard comes on the turn...
On balance I call and hope to get more value that way. If you don't want to see a turn, that's understandable so a shove isn't bad. If your opponent calls and shows a set, as the others have already said, you're meant to go broke anyway. Any reads on your opponent that might help us? Does she seem experienced?
Borin, no experienced player is 3b/f an overpair on the flop and if we call I doubt many players continue bluffing the turn
How close were you!!!! well done , lol.
As for action killers: 2's, 3's, 4's and 7's aren't good for us on the turn, but there are far more cards - 9's and above - that are good. Shoving here loses value from all the AK, AQ, AJ type, bluffing hands. Here we get the call, but I do think against better players we lose our value.
The high cards should be good for us, but some of them will be bad for villain and a lot of cards you mention slow villain down if they dont beat us
I think I'd 3-bet fold here with 77. The alternative is to call that raise and let a scare card come for my hand. If we let a turn card come how many good cards are there for us? We can't even be sure our set-draw is live. I want to take this hand down now - albeit with a slightly larger 3-bet, perhaps to 500 - and expect to only be shoved on by hands I'm losing to.
77 is prob the worst value hand villain ever shows up with and I would prob just fold it to a raise from an unknown oop readless with 77 here. 3b/f it is pretty close to bluffing imo as I doubt we would be flatted by worse often, bluffing might be ok though.
Also if we 3bet to 500 then we are going to be getting pretty good odds on the call, although fold would prob be better at that stage. But I doubt anything better than 99 or pair +oesd hands ever fold and like I said I dont think bluffs continue often
On a 356 flop, I don't think a call of the 3-bet looks like a big made-hand. I think it looks like a draw and that's how it would be viewed by most players - If the board was AKK, that might be different. When a Ten or Jack or some other over-card comes on the turn I think alot of players will continue betting, since those cards don't fill any straight-draws. If I was in that position I always fire at the turn since, when we check, all those missed straight-draws are given a free card. In this sense, by calling the 3-bet on the flop we could convince the 77 that we're drawing and they could well continue on the turn, seeing it as both a value-bet and a bet to protect their hand.
I suppose that saying they continue the bluff suggests they think they can blow us off a stronger hand. More likely the call makes our opponent more confident that their hand is ahead, not less. So it's my mistake to say they'd continue a bluff but I think players will almost always continue on the turn, nonetheless.
Correction: They wouldn't be continuing on the turn with 77 as a bluff, but could continue on the turn with AK and others as a bluff. So we give them the chance to continue betting on the turn with their entire range.