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what do you do with aces in this spot?

liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
edited February 2012 in The Poker Clinic
 only been at the tables a few rounds villian is been limp calling nearly 100% of time not seen him raise also not seen him fold pre either.

the reason i`ve posted this hand is that i`ve been stacked about 3 times this week in similar spots so want to know if its standard or if i`m fallin love with top pair so any advice would be great thanksPlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesoong09Sit out    maruffSmall blind £0.05£0.05£18.12Ted666Big blind £0.10£0.15£13.20teddy991Sit out     Your hole cardsAA   shinnywingCall £0.10£0.25£12.71liamboi11Raise £0.50£0.75£9.50maruffFold    Ted666Call £0.40£1.15£12.80shinnywingFold    Flop  2QK   Ted666Check    liamboi11Bet £0.86£2.01£8.64Ted666Call £0.86£2.87£11.94Turn  J   Ted666Bet £2.87£5.74£9.07
what do we do now ?
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited February 2012

    guess he had KQ or QJ then?
     
    ul, hard to fold here, but given reads that he is generally very loose passive as soon as he bets its raises alarm bells!

    You only mention preflop though, how does he normally play the streets, have u seen him showdown anything before?




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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    guess he had KQ or QJ then?   ul, hard to fold here, but given reads that he is generally very loose passive as soon as he bets its raises alarm bells! You only mention preflop though, how does he normally play the streets, have u seen him showdown anything before?
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    what i`ve seen post flop he usually gives up if missed and calls or raises when connected so think the jack defo helped him on the turn maybe kj,qj maybe even 109,a10 usually loose passive players bet strong when the have a gd one
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot? : what i`ve seen post flop he usually gives up if missed and calls or raises when connected so think the jack defo helped him on the turn maybe kj,qj maybe even 109,a10 usually loose passive players bet strong when the have a gd one
    Posted by liamboi11
    well with those reads i think you can just sigh fold the AA on the turn, your not beating anything really.
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesoong09Sit out    maruffSmall blind £0.05£0.05£18.12Ted666Big blind £0.10£0.15£13.20teddy991Sit out     Your hole cardshttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/club.gif'); text-align: center; padding-bottom: 10px; background-color: #ffffff; margin: 0px 0px 0px 2px; padding-left: 0px; width: 15px; padding-right: 0px; display: block; background-position: 1px 100%; color: #000000; font-size: 0.9em; padding-top: 0px; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border: #9bc3e5 1px solid" class="club">Ahttps://www.skypoker.com/img/site/heart.gif'); text-align: center; padding-bottom: 10px; background-color: #ffffff; margin: 0px 0px 0px 2px; padding-left: 0px; width: 15px; padding-right: 0px; display: block; background-position: 1px 100%; color: #dd0000; font-size: 0.9em; padding-top: 0px; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; border: #9bc3e5 1px solid" class="heart">A   shinnywingCall £0.10£0.25£12.71https://www.skypoker.com/img/site/hhdealer.gif'); padding-bottom: 0px; background-color: transparent; margin: 0px; padding-left: 0px; padding-right: 18px; background-position: 100% 100%; padding-top: 0px; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial" class="dealer">liamboi11Raise £0.50£0.75£9.50maruffFold    Ted666Call £0.40£1.15£12.80shinnywingFold    Flop  
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       Ted666Check    liamboi11Bet £0.86£2.01£8.64Ted666Call £0.86£2.87£11.94Turn  
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       Ted666Bet £2.87£5.74£9.07liamboi11Fold    Ted666Muck    Ted666Win £2.65 £11.72Ted666Return £2.87£0.22£14.59
    did fold just wanted to get feedback from others plus 3 similar spots a lost ma stack so learned my lesson lol
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited February 2012
    I'd prob call the turn bet. Looks like he might have hit though, maybe fold better. Your postflop reads seem very specific for only a few rounds though
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    I'd prob call the turn bet. Looks like he might have hit though, maybe fold better. Your postflop reads seem very specific for only a few rounds though
    Posted by grantorino
    if you call turn bet what are u doing on most rivers?

    I dont understand why we call the turn... even if we hit our set we cant be confident

    happy to listen
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot? : if you call turn bet what are u doing on most rivers? I dont understand why we call the turn... even if we hit our set we cant be confident happy to listen
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    Are you saying we shouldnt call turn as its a fold or that we should shove if we are continuing?

    Meh the more I look at it fold is prob best, but when a bad player plays a hand like this I find it hard to fold AA.
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2012

    i go all in and then quickly click the get more chips button

    if he is a fish he is also prob falling in love with hands like K10 and J10 on that turn.  depends how fishy and what your reads are.

    we also have outs and block both nut flush draws.

    he could also have 10x of clubs which now looks very pretty to fish and i think KQ is too strong to be limp called with

    basically im a station and im ready to reload here :)

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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot? : Are you saying we shouldnt call turn as its a fold or that we should shove if we are continuing? Meh the more I look at it fold is prob best, but when a bad player plays a hand like this I find it hard to fold AA.
    Posted by grantorino
    Just saying that if I call, im not 100% sure on the end and because i dont think hes bluffing the end or capable of bluffing it, i think i prefer folding the turn.
     
    If im pretty sure im good im shipping it for value, but there is too much doubt here!.

    If i just call the turn, im hoping for a cheap showdown and that wont happen that often imo considering he potted the turn!

    But i do agree that folding AA is pretty annoying, maybe i do it too often i dunno! lol
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited February 2012

    Raising bigger pre since he 'never folds'

    Betting flop bigger since he loves to call

    I think I prob call turn and check out what villian does on river, its really amazing how fish's range is super polarized in this spot though. Some love to lead full pot as a bluff, others love to lead full pot as 'value'.

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  • GuitarLadGuitarLad Member Posts: 25
    edited February 2012
    A FFS fold
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    I'd prob call the turn bet. Looks like he might have hit though, maybe fold better. Your postflop reads seem very specific for only a few rounds though
    Posted by grantorino
    a have notes sayin loose passive,calls anyfin pre flop so played him b4 cant remember the name though and playin a few rounds just confirmed what a had my notes but just had a feeling in my gut i was beat maybe wrong but always tell you to go your gut, plus loose passive players bet big most of time with hands better than a pair imo
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    This does also depend on what oppo thinks of you, even massive fish know if you are tight or loose, because of that I wouldn't fold as they usually seem happy to get 2nd pair in against me at that level!
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited February 2012
    BTW he didn't click the "pot" button (unless the hand histroy is displaying it wrong) If he did manually type £2.87 that does make me more wary of a good hand :S
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: what do you do with aces in this spot?:
    This does also depend on what oppo thinks of you, even massive fish know if you are tight or loose, because of that I wouldn't fold as they usually seem happy to get 2nd pair in against me at that level!
    Posted by Poker_Fail
    i think most players at these levels play their cards more than what they thought of my image 2 be honest but i understand what you are saying m8
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  • zammo19720zammo19720 Member Posts: 23
    edited February 2012
    loose passive plyrs usually do containment excercises til they hit so i reckn fold as best option, plus with that turn too many variations for AA to be safe
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  • SkyPokerTVSkyPokerTV Member Posts: 185
    edited February 2012

    Hi,

    Thank you for your post,

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