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Overpair on low board facing a shove- SPT SEMI

YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
edited February 2012 in The Poker Clinic
No solid reads, i havent played the opponent for a while.

There was a hand earlier he limped A8o and called a 25bb shove level 1 or 2.

Im betting flop for value, best flop for my hand other then setting up and i think he can call pretty wide here. Villain has been playing pretty loose passive.

is this a call or fold?
M4NTR4CKER Small blind   25.00 25.00 5050.00
Doudeau Big blind   50.00 75.00 1785.00
  Your hole cards
  • 8
  • 8
     
YOUNG_GUN Raise   150.00 225.00 2420.00
xx Call   150.00 375.00 2235.00
Outback81 Fold        
M4NTR4CKER Fold        
Doudeau Fold        
Flop
   
  • 6
  • 6
  • 5
     
YOUNG_GUN Bet   200.00 575.00 2220.00
x All-in   2235.00 2810.00 0.00
Young_gun
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2012
    I think you gotta call, most better pairs would 3bet and any 6x is tough to have.

    L/C 25bb shove w/A8 shows his pretty crazy so could easily have overcards here.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2012
    No more input? 

    Dude what are we beating? what range of hands would you put villain on? 
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited February 2012
    AK/AQ etc going crazy also 78 and a lone 5 overplayig it
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited February 2012

    lol, loose passives probably not doing this with too much you beat, he might overvalue 22/33/44/77/5x hands and maybe shove 78 (unlikely?).

    Hands you losing too, AA-99/55/66, and he can prob have any 6x suited hands.

    I think this being a sat/ combined with you labelling villian as a loose passive makes it more a fold then a call, although I dno.

    Given villian a pretty wide range let me know what hands you think could be taken out/ any that could be added in.
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     144,540  games     0.057 secs     2,535,789  games/sec

    Board: 6c 6d 5s
    Dead: 

     equity  win  tie        pots won  pots tied 
    Hand 0:  45.351%   44.93%  00.42%           64941        610.00   { 8d8h }
    Hand 1:  54.649%   54.23%  00.42%           78379        610.00   { 22+, A6s-A5s, K6s-K5s, Q6s, J6s, T6s, 96s, 86s+, 76s, 62s+, 43s, A5o, K5o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 43o }


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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2012
    Id take out QQ+ pairs

    other then that about right
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  • rolfusrolfus Member Posts: 61
    edited February 2012
    Wow tough spot....you don't really lose to anything but you don't really beat anything, if that makes sense.

    He may have called it off with A8o but he didn't shove which is the important thing when trying to break down his range. We don't have many reads at all which makes it tough.

    In spots like this I find it's just a fold putting him on 77+ and 6x that got excited.
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Overpair on low board facing a shove- SPT SEMI:
    lol, loose passives probably not doing this with too much you beat, he might overvalue 22/33/44/77/5x hands and maybe shove 78 (unlikely?). Hands you losing too, AA-99/55/66, and he can prob have any 6x suited hands. I think this being a sat/ combined with you labelling villian as a loose passive makes it more a fold then a call, although I dno. Given villian a pretty wide range let me know what hands you think could be taken out/ any that could be added in. ---  144,540  games     0.057 secs     2,535,789  games/sec Board: 6c 6d 5s Dead:   equity  win  tie        pots won  pots tied  Hand 0:  45.351%   44.93%  00.42%           64941        610.00   { 8d8h } Hand 1:  54.649%   54.23%  00.42%           78379        610.00   { 22+, A6s-A5s, K6s-K5s, Q6s, J6s, T6s, 96s, 86s+, 76s, 62s+, 43s, A5o, K5o, 87o, 76o, 65o, 43o } ---
    Posted by NColley
    remove a 6 from his range, i doubt this guy is shoving a 6, A5, 44, 33, 77 is the majority of his shoving range...unless i am wrong and he shoves a 6....A6, 67s, there's not a lot of 6x combos tbf 99 is prob top of his range...overall i think we are good here, still tough and cant blame a fold.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited February 2012
    In the moment i called, he shows 10s. 

    At first i actually did think thats ul he has it there, but then looking back the next day its an awful call.

    The only hands he shoves we beat is 78suited and A5 and overs, the main reason its a really bad call is not because he has 10s(results orientated) but because when he spewed before with A8 he was calling.

    Generally a passive player isnt going to be shoving light here, i agree not very often with a 6 but his shoving range has got to be crushing ours. I should have waited for a better spot, hey we all do things which looking back is bad ...live n learn :) 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited February 2012
    Your only beating 7's, passives don't shove with non made hands - thats why their passive

    loose aggro would shove a five, draw - loose passive just going to call down with any draw

    beware "When passives go crazy"

    don't beat yourself up, you had 8's
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited February 2012
    In Response to Re: Overpair on low board facing a shove- SPT SEMI:
    In the moment i called, he shows 10s.  At first i actually did think thats ul he has it there, but then looking back the next day its an awful call. The only hands he shoves we beat is 78suited and A5 and overs, the main reason its a really bad call is not because he has 10s(results orientated) but because when he spewed before with A8 he was calling. Generally a passive player isnt going to be shoving light here, i agree not very often with a 6 but his shoving range has got to be crushing ours. I should have waited for a better spot, hey we all do things which looking back is bad ...live n learn :) 
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    UL younggun it was allways going to be a close one; suppose for that reason alone folding 88 is prob best. 
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