Playing hands in late stages of Mtt.

cleaverjim

When playing in tournaments what is our range in 6 table max in late stages of the game?

Recently ive got quite deep in mtts on sky, but i think im quite weak on knowing what moves to make with certain hands.I know if we have less than 10 bbs we need to open shove with probably any 2 but im struggling if i have an over average chip stack.

Let me take you back to a game on here recently.Top 20 paid 31 still left and i have 29.800, blinds 1.000/2.000 and im 1st to act in the cut off with A 7 unsuited,I raise 3x to 6.000 the sb goes all in 21.000 which leaves me with a very low chip stack if i call,Should i call or fold which would leave me just over 10bbs?
I did fold and he showed 44 but the very next hand i pick up A 3 suited again im 1st to act so looking strong i bet 8.000,BB shoves for 42.000 and i folded.

So two hands have taken nearly 15k of my 29k chip stack without seeing a flop so i assume i played them both wrong so am keen to know what range we should be shoving or raising with in the late stage of the game.

Do i need to be throwing away rags even though im 1st to act?Or do i need to be more aggro and call these coin flip situations?.

I eventually moved all in with Aj and got beaten by AK but i know i made the right move a the right time in that scenario but i need to know how to play my stack better with an over average stack.

Again if someone jams before me id fold rags or maybe even small pairs but when im 1st to bet i would really like to know more about my range if you could help.

Im not one to just try and fold to the cash spot, because i try and get to final table with a healthy chip stack rather than be blinded out ,But do i need to be aggro with my stack in latter stages and take the risks?

I would really be grateful for your posts on this.

scrumdown

last 40 or 50 play top ten hands or mid pocket pairs in late postion and use the button to great effect to get any dead money out there

jakally

In Response to Playing hands in late stages of Mtt.:
I know if we have less than 10 bbs we need to open shove with probably any 2

Not necessarily. Pick your spots. No point jamming 62o UTG in a BH with 7BB's, as you will get called, and be in bad shape. Ok to jam most buttons in unopened pots, and all SB's with <10BB's, and then as we get in earlier position, tighten this up.

Think about the stack sizes / players you are jamming into, and what kind of ranges they may call with.

Top 20 paid 31 still left and i have 29.800, blinds 1.000/2.000 and im 1st to act in the cut off with A 7 unsuited,I raise 3x to 6.000 the sb goes all in 21.000 which leaves me with a very low chip stack if i call,Should i call or fold which would leave me just over 10bbs? I did fold and he showed 44 but the very next hand i pick up A 3 suited again im 1st to act so looking strong i bet 8.000,BB shoves for 42.000 and i folded.

First one, either fold, raise to 2 - 2.25 x BB (i.e. make it 4000 - 4500), or jam.

Jamming is the most standard play, and it is inexploitable, as you would rather 44-66, A8, A9, KQ all fold, than think they can jam over your raise with fold equity.

Second one is definitely shove or fold... I don't want to be putting 4BB's out of 12 in and then folding. Once you get shoved on, you have to call ((15,800 to call, into a pot of 32,800). Putting chunks of chips into pots, and not getting to showdown, is something to avoid deep in MTT's.

but i need to know how to play my stack better with an over average stack. Again if someone jams before me id fold rags or maybe even small pairs but when im 1st to bet i would really like to know more about my range if you could help.

When you have 13 - 20BB's you have a reshove stack.

Ideal for jamming over light openers, particularly with same or slightly bigger stack than yours. (e.g. they open button to 2.5x with 66, ATo, KJ, QT etc, you rejam 17BB's over this, it's a difficult call for them, especially if it's for most of their stack.

When you have a reshove stack, open a bit tighter....... we don't want to erode this to a push or fold stack, and it's the kind of stack size where we have to fold if we open light and get shoved on.

With a stack size greater than this, just play poker as you have been doing, to get that stack in the first place.

Be aware of other players stack sizes, and look to abuse those that are tightening up around the bubble, or laddering through pay jumps.

If you have a reasonably active table, or one where players are calling a lot, don't feel obliged to play lots of hands, just because you have chips.

scrumdown

nice post jakally u hit it spot on

penguin7

Jakally has just about said it all here.

So important to avoid getting down to those 10bb in the first place. Try and find spots to 3bet shove when you are between 10 and 20. The return/risk is better than open shoving.

Knowledge of your opponents is key. Who is laddering? Who will button raise any unopened pot ? Do the players to your left have the game to take you off a pot with a marginal hand?

Any hand you play, you have to commit to. Bet/fold just bleeds chips, so careful with those raggy aces, those are exactly the hands you cannot call with.

Some players find middle pocket pairs difficult. Rarely any other way to play them except jamming or folding.

Playing late stages well with a big stack can be a minefield. Pay particular attention to how the other bigstacks are playing. Are they likely to avoid crossing swords with you ? Relative position on the table is such a factor. If you have a bigstack one or two seats to your left, it obviously can narrow your opening range, thus reducing the pots you can win.

Similarly if you have position on another bigstack, there is a need to put down a marker by 3 betting him off a pot or he will keep stealing your blinds. But always decide before you put in the raise how you are going to react if he comes over the top. If your dont have AA/KK, you cant let your ego stop you folding.

robyoung

In Response to Playing hands in late stages of Mtt.:

When playing in tournaments what is our range in 6 table max in late stages of the game? Recently ive got quite deep in mtts on sky, but i think im quite weak on knowing what moves to make with certain hands.I know if we have less than 10 bbs we need to open shove with probably any 2 but im struggling if i have an over average chip stack. Let me take you back to a game on here recently.Top 20 paid 31 still left and i have 29.800, blinds 1.000/2.000 and im 1st to act in the cut off with A 7 unsuited,I raise 3x to 6.000 the sb goes all in 21.000 which leaves me with a very low chip stack if i call,Should i call or fold which would leave me just over 10bbs? I did fold and he showed 44 but the very next hand i pick up A 3 suited again im 1st to act so looking strong i bet 8.000,BB shoves for 42.000 and i folded. So two hands have taken nearly 15k of my 29k chip stack without seeing a flop so i assume i played them both wrong so am keen to know what range we should be shoving or raising with in the late stage of the game. Do i need to be throwing away rags even though im 1st to act?Or do i need to be more aggro and call these coin flip situations?. I eventually moved all in with Aj and got beaten by AK but i know i made the right move a the right time in that scenario but i need to know how to play my stack better with an over average stack. Again if someone jams before me id fold rags or maybe even small pairs but when im 1st to bet i would really like to know more about my range if you could help. Im not one to just try and fold to the cash spot, because i try and get to final table with a healthy chip stack rather than be blinded out ,But do i need to be aggro with my stack in latter stages and take the risks? I would really be grateful for your posts on this.
Posted by cleaverjim

few tips for late mtts from me

when utg never raise hands if you intend to fold to a reraise late on

look for tight players to steal blinds from

if your deep stacked, look for players who are raising alot of pots and reraise them, its the perfect way to build your stack

once your below 14bbs never raise, just shove all in, unless you have aa,kk and are intending to trap, even tho this can get you into trouble it pays off more then it doesnt

if your on the bubble and you have a healthy stack, bully the shorties to ****, there only guna call with massive hands

WHOAMI196

In Response to Re: Playing hands in late stages of Mtt.:

In Response to Playing hands in late stages of Mtt. : few tips for late mtts from me when utg never raise hands if you intend to fold to a reraise late on look for tight players to steal blinds from if your deep stacked, look for players who are raising alot of pots and reraise them, its the perfect way to build your stack once your below 14bbs never raise, just shove all in, unless you have aa,kk and are intending to trap, even tho this can get you into trouble it pays off more then it doesnt if your on the bubble and you have a healthy stack, bully the shorties to ****, there only guna call with massive hands
Posted by robyoung

 

you have sik tourney credentials, you should open a tourney strategy thread.

edit: so has jakally

rancid

Listen to robyoung )

Commit to the hand or don't
being half hearted with a hand is a common mistake

if your not commnited then your just stealing

above all else get it in good and run better baby

robyoung

In Response to Re: Playing hands in late stages of Mtt.:

In Response to Re: Playing hands in late stages of Mtt. :   you have sik tourney credentials, you should open a tourney strategy thread. edit: so has jakally
Posted by WHOAMI196

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