Sky Poker "Field Addresses"

Tikay10

Good morning.

Field addresses are what appear under your avatar, on a Poker Table. You csn see them by hovering your mouse over the avatar.

They are pre-set to show....

Screen-Name

Home Town. (Where account is registered).

Total amount of cash (in cash games) or chips (in Tourneys & STT's) currently in play.

It is a quite simple matter for players to self-amend these Field Addresses, & many do, to include, perhaps, their Sky Poker Team Name, their football team, a nickname, or a humorous aside. All of which is absolutely fine, if not abused, the system is designed to allow that.

Unfortunately, some players have taken to amending these to be offensive, rude, inappropriate, & even on occasion, to try to represent a different stack, or amount of cash, that they currently have in play. This means that when another player hovers their mouse over the avatar, it appears that the player has a stack which is not represented in reality.

There have been one or two complaints recently about the last-named, suggesting it is inappropriate, & could even be construed by some as angle shooting. It may or may not be, but it is certainly not in the spirit of the game, & it is not encouraged.

If you see such examples, & report them via PM to "Sky_Poker", they will be modified as  & if appropriate by Sky Poker, & action may be taken against the player to prevent further such occurences if repeated.

Hope that all makes sense, & if you have any questions on the subject, fire away. Not literally, like...... 

Sky_Poker

For those of you looking for 'Sky_Poker' so you can pm us, here we are.

tiercel

I totally agree . Too many people think it is clever to be rude and offensive when it really makes them look small.
The one thing I'd say is this message will sit in the forum and slwly drift to the back. You should put it  at the head of home page and/or top of each profile page. Instead of which it will drift in to the sunset.

n Response to Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

Good morning. Field addresses are what appear under your avatar, on a Poker Table. You csn see them by hovering your mouse over the avatar. They are pre-set to show.... Screen-Name Home Town. (Where account is registered). Total amount of cash (in cash games) or chips (in Tourneys & STT's) currently in play. It is a quite simple matter for players to self-amend these Field Addresses, & many do, to include, perhaps, their Sky Poker Team Name, their football team, a nickname, or a humorous aside. All of which is absolutely fine, if not abused, the system is designed to allow that. Unfortunately, some players have taken to amending these to be offensive, rude, inappropriate, & even on occasion, to try to represent a different stack, or amount of cash, that they currently have in play. This means that when another player hovers their mouse over the avatar, it appears that the player has a stack which is not represented in reality. There have been one or two complaints recently about the last-named, suggesting it is inappropriate, & could even be construed by some as angle shooting. It may or may not be, but it is certainly not in the spirit of the game, & it is not encouraged. If you see such examples, & report them via PM to "Sky_Poker", they will be modified as  & if appropriate by Sky Poker, & action may be taken against the player to prevent further such occurences if repeated. Hope that all makes sense, & if you have any questions on the subject, fire away. Not literally, like......  
Posted by Tikay10

GaryQQQ

I've seen a few in MTTs with a fake stack size in the address hiding the real stack size. It's easy to get fooled if you're not paying attention or just got moved. Defo an angle imo, if I see any again I'll report them.

kb245

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

I've seen a few in MTTs with a fake stack size in the address hiding the real stack size. It's easy to get fooled if you're not paying attention or just got moved. Defo an angle imo, if I see any again I'll report them.
Posted by GaryQQQ

+ 1

1267

Angle shooting ftw ! 
Didn't that guy who pulled off the awesome "oooops i didnt mean to raise"   (when he really had the nuts) go on to win the EPT (or whatever it was) ....   Genius i say !

Dudeskin8

Mini-view ftw

spornybol

can we change dudeskins8 badge (not the TPT) as after the 1st of april i might find it offensive )))))

simuk

Some people are shamelessly promoting their Twitter accounts also.... Who does that?!

JockBMW

I think the funniest one on the site belongs to Hurst05 ( I think it's his, not 100% sure)

Hover over his Avatar and it says.... "Oy watch where you're pointing that thing"  Priceless ;o)

goldnballz

Certainly annoying when you hover over someones name & you cannot see thier chipstack

EvilPingu

Re: Angle Shooting - Nothing wrong, as long as it's not actually breaking any rules. Yes, it might be unsporting, but rules are rules, and if there's no rule to stop people putting a fake stack size in, then it's fair enough IMO.

Just look at cricket for exampes of where "Spirit of the game" gets in the way of the rules - Recently, Indian Bowler Ravichandran Ashwin ran out a Sri Lankan batsman (Lahiru Thirimanne, I think) at the non-striker's end before bowling the ball, known as "Mankading" - This is usually frowned upon, but it's perfectly legal. The batsman know about it, and if they get dismissed that way, then really, it's their fault for being out of the crease before the ball is bowled, either not paying attention and walking out of their crease, or trying to make it easier to pinch a single.

However, the Indian captain withdrew the appeal, despite the dismissal being totally legal, and completely the batsman's fault for leaving his crease. Equally, if someone has a fake stack size, then it's up to you to be aware of it and pay attention. It's no good crying about it when you're out of the tournament because you weren't paying attention and thought they had 2,155 chips when they actually had 35,000.

Also, if you want something banned, don't say "It's against the spirit of the game", make a rule saying it's banned, then you can actually enforce it.

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

Re: Angle Shooting - Nothing wrong, as long as it's not actually breaking any rules. Yes, it might be unsporting, but rules are rules, and if there's no rule to stop people putting a fake stack size in, then it's fair enough IMO. Just look at cricket for exampes of where "Spirit of the game" gets in the way of the rules - Recently, Indian Bowler Ravichandran Ashwin ran out a Sri Lankan batsman (Lahiru Thirimanne, I think) at the non-striker's end before bowling the ball, known as "Mankading" - This is usually frowned upon, but it's perfectly legal. The batsman know about it, and if they get dismissed that way, then really, it's their fault for being out of the crease before the ball is bowled, either not paying attention and walking out of their crease, or trying to make it easier to pinch a single. However, the Indian captain withdrew the appeal, despite the dismissal being totally legal, and completely the batsman's fault for leaving his crease. Equally, if someone has a fake stack size, then it's up to you to be aware of it and pay attention. Also, if you want something banned, don't say "It's against the spirit of the game", make a rule saying it's banned, then you can actually enforce it.
Posted by EvilPingu

We don't want it banned, thats the easy option, we hope that players will act reasonably, with common-sense, & it will self-police.

It would be very easy to simply prevent players having bespoke field addresses, but we think it is a player-friendly function.

Poker_Fail

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

It's no good crying about it when you're out of the tournament because you weren't paying attention and thought they had 2,155 chips when they actually had 35,000. Also, if you want something banned, don't say "It's against the spirit of the game", make a rule saying it's banned, then you can actually enforce it.
Posted by EvilPingu

Loving the secret mention

Poker_Fail

I'm slightly confused, are you trying to prevent false chipstacks or long locations?

I had a false chipstack partly as a "1up" to those players with really long locations where you can't see a chipstack at all

MAXALLY

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

I'm slightly confused, are you trying to prevent false chipstacks or long locations? I had a false chipstack partly as a "1up" to those players with really long locations where you can't see a chipstack at all
Posted by Poker_Fail

This.

Will these new restraints include a maximum use of characters in each field to alleviate the above?

DOHHHHHHH

It should all be stopped/OR limited to 1 line.

The frustration is when you hover over a persons name to see his stack, whilst he/she is making a decision (has the time bar on him/her) and you can't see it.

It's having 2 lines of 'location' that's the problem, the 2nd line blocks the stack.

Having a false stack as 1st line and real stack as 2nd 1 isn't a problem, or shouldn't be.

Shud be simple enough to sort, limit the characters on the address field.

Job dun!

NoseyBonk

Limit the characters displayed (at the table) would be better, as some place names are very long and those details in your account settings sometimes need to be accurate.

BorinLoner

I don't play much on Sky Poker at the moment and this is mainly because of the UI and software not matching the experience of some competitors. Even so, I have been hovering around the Sky Poker forums awaiting news on particular updates because I would rather play on Sky. The Forum, TV channel and the folk involved in both are things which appeal to me more than the rather cold world of the larger site. However...

If people are able to misrepresent their stack sizes in any fashion it is unethical and to call it angle-shooting is merely being diplomatic. It is cheating.

Hide your large chips at a live table and you'll be in trouble but this, to my eyes, is more Sky's problem than the players'. There will always be players that try to gain an unfair advantage and it's up to the site to ensure the integrity of their games by protecting their clients. Allowing players to falsely report their stack sizes via Sky Poker is akin to playing in the casino, asking the dealer to count your opponent's stack and then having them lie to you about it. If a dealer did that to me I'd be minded to see to it that they were sacked.

I don't think that expecting players to police themselves and act in good faith is reasonable. It's naive to think that people playing for money will always behave ethically in the face of opportunity. If this is a possibility on Sky Poker's software, then Sky Poker's software should be changed to prevent it.

DOHHHHHHH

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

I don't play much on Sky Poker at the moment and this is mainly because of the UI and software not matching the experience of some competitors. Even so, I have been hovering around the Sky Poker forums awaiting news on particular updates because I would rather play on Sky. The Forum, TV channel and the folk involved in both are things which appeal to me more than the rather cold world of the larger site. However... If people are able to misrepresent their stack sizes in any fashion it is unethical and to call it angle-shooting is merely being diplomatic. It is cheating . Hide your large chips at a live table and you'll be in trouble but this, to my eyes, is more Sky's problem than the players. There will always be players that try to gain an unfair advantage and it's up to the site to ensure the integrity of their games by protecting their clients. Allowing players to falsely report their stack sizes via Sky Poker is akin to playing in the casino, asking the dealer to count your opponent's stack and then having them lie to you about it. If a dealer did that to me I'd be minded to see to it that they were sacked. I don't think that expecting players to police themselves and act in good faith is reasonable. It's naive to think that people playing for money will always behave ethically in the face of opportunity.
Posted by BorinLoner

Horlix

Tikay10

In Response to Re: Sky Poker "Field Addresses":

I don't play much on Sky Poker at the moment and this is mainly because of the UI and software not matching the experience of some competitors. Even so, I have been hovering around the Sky Poker forums awaiting news on particular updates because I would rather play on Sky. The Forum, TV channel and the folk involved in both are things which appeal to me more than the rather cold world of the larger site. However... If people are able to misrepresent their stack sizes in any fashion it is unethical and to call it angle-shooting is merely being diplomatic. It is cheating . Hide your large chips at a live table and you'll be in trouble but this, to my eyes, is more Sky's problem than the players. There will always be players that try to gain an unfair advantage and it's up to the site to ensure the integrity of their games by protecting their clients. Allowing players to falsely report their stack sizes via Sky Poker is akin to playing in the casino, asking the dealer to count your opponent's stack and then having them lie to you about it. If a dealer did that to me I'd be minded to see to it that they were sacked. I don't think that expecting players to police themselves and act in good faith is reasonable. It's naive to think that people playing for money will always behave ethically in the face of opportunity. If this is a possibility on Sky Poker's software, then Sky Poker's software should be changed to prevent it.
Posted by BorinLoner

Thank you MrLoner.

The matter was only bought to my attention late last night, (around midnight in fact) & I immediately, there & then, sent it up to Head Office for comment.

They have not had chance to consider the matter fully yet, or how best to tackle it, (knee-jerk is rarely wise) but the Post I made this morning, based on their reply to me first thing today, was intended to give some breathing time while a decision was made, & the situation & best resolution examined in more depth.

Your comments are noted, though.
 
As to the "updates", I will be Posting some news tonight, or tomorrow morning - see the "Software Changes" Thread, HERE

Thanks.