can/should i fold this early on??

BURNShurtz

2nd blind level, so very early in the tourney. simple call as only AA is ahead of me or has he played it strong enough for me to put him on AA and fold?
thoughts please
thanks

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
BURNShurtz	Small blind		15.00	15.00	2925.00
thenutnat	Big blind		30.00	45.00	3560.00
	Your hole cards	K K
ev1992	Fold
silk09	Raise		60.00	105.00	2870.00
newthane17	Fold
anil1991	Call		60.00	165.00	2615.00
BURNShurtz	Raise		165.00	330.00	2760.00
thenutnat	Call		150.00	480.00	3410.00
silk09	Raise		240.00	720.00	2630.00
anil1991	Fold
BURNShurtz	Raise		600.00	1320.00	2160.00
thenutnat	Fold
silk09	All-in		2630.00	3950.00	0.00
BURNShurtz	???

Lambert180

I've gotta get it in and good luck to him if he has AA. But there's so many people who would do this with much less than AA so unless you have loads of notes saying he's a complete rock, then it has to be a call.

BorinLoner

You really need to know what you're going to do when you make your 5-bet. Are you 5-betting to fold or are you 5-betting to get it all-in? That's the decision you need to take before making the 5-bet.

I agree with Lambert. Nobody should be making a 6-bet all-in with QQ or AK but the fact is that people do. His range is probably AA, KK, QQ and AK unless we have good reason to believe he's tighter than this. I think your 5-bet should be a little bit bigger but I don't think folding KK after putting 1/4 of your stack in is a good, long-term strategy. Not to a single opponent.

BURNShurtz

In Response to Re: can/should i fold this early on??:

You really need to know what you're going to do when you make your 5-bet. Are you 5-betting to fold or are you 5-betting to get it all-in? That's the decision you need to take before making the 5-bet. I agree with Lambert. Nobody should be making a 6-bet all-in with QQ or AK but the fact is that people do. His range is probably AA, KK, QQ and AK unless we have good reason to believe he's tighter than this. I think your 5-bet should be a little bit bigger but I don't think folding KK after putting 1/4 of your stack in is a good, long-term strategy. Not to a single opponent.
Posted by BorinLoner

well it was to get it allin, but when he did come back allin i sunddenly got this idea that he had AA and got all confused.

NColley

Your 3 bet oop should be bigger

No clue why villian open min raises/ min 4 bets then jams over your 5 bet.

It's one of those where you just can't see why anybody would play AK/QQ like this, I prob call because its KK and without a specific read I'm happy to get it all in pre flop with it.

BorinLoner

I think the point to take is that we can't worry about the AA vs KK hands. This will happen sometimes but on most ocassions we won't be able to avoid losing our stack. It will be so infrequent that we can get away from KK that spending much time thinking about it would just be wasted effort. Focus your thoughts on other situations.

Dudeskin8

NEVER folding KK pre 100bbs deep here.

grantorino

3bet bigger

shove over 4bet

snap the 6bet

lol at anyone ever considering 5b/f KK 100bb deep

profman15

In Response to can/should i fold this early on??:

2nd blind level, so very early in the tourney. simple call as only AA is ahead of me or has he played it strong enough for me to put him on AA and fold? thoughts please thanks Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance BURNShurtz Small blind   15.00 15.00 2925.00 thenutnat Big blind   30.00 45.00 3560.00   Your hole cards K K       ev1992 Fold         silk09 Raise   60.00 105.00 2870.00 newthane17 Fold         anil1991 Call   60.00 165.00 2615.00 BURNShurtz Raise   165.00 330.00 2760.00 thenutnat Call   150.00 480.00 3410.00 silk09 Raise   240.00 720.00 2630.00 anil1991 Fold         BURNShurtz Raise   600.00 1320.00 2160.00 thenutnat Fold         silk09 All-in   2630.00 3950.00 0.00 BURNShurtz ???         
Posted by BURNShurtz

Shove it imo. You still have outs if AA (yes TT!! i hear you say) but a nice double up early could set you up for the early and mid levels. Just scream if he has AA. I've had AA two consecutive nights and been beaten by TT and one rather unrepeatble hand. I put it down to variance and now expect the poker gods to repay me ten-fold!! OR ELSE!! GL at the tables unless i've got AA obviously....