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Shud i of bet the river?

ClintonH83ClintonH83 Member Posts: 431
edited March 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Daw62 Small blind  10.00 10.00 2910.00
deed73 Big blind  20.00 30.00 1710.00
 Your hole cards
  • Q
  • J
   
somer Call  20.00 50.00 1940.00
bettingh21 Call  20.00 70.00 1850.00
sugu Raise  60.00 130.00 1320.00
ClintonH83 Call  60.00 190.00 2080.00
Daw62 Call  50.00 240.00 2860.00
deed73 Fold     
somer Call  40.00 280.00 1900.00
bettingh21 Call  40.00 320.00 1810.00
Flop
  
  • 4
  • 4
  • Q
   
Daw62 Bet  20.00 340.00 2840.00
somer Fold     
bettingh21 Call  20.00 360.00 1790.00
sugu Fold     
ClintonH83 Raise  80.00 440.00 2000.00
Daw62 Raise  140.00 580.00 2700.00
bettingh21 Fold     
ClintonH83 Call  80.00 660.00 1920.00
Turn
  
  • J
   
Daw62 Bet  330.00 990.00 2370.00
ClintonH83 Call  330.00 1320.00 1590.00
River
  
  • 2
   
Daw62 Check     
ClintonH83 Check     
Daw62 Show
  • K
  • Q
   
ClintonH83 Show
  • Q
  • J
   
ClintonH83 Win Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks 1320.00  2910.00
I couldnt work out (and i dont know why) if i was winning? i was so sure he might have a 4? is this a massive mistake? shud i know im ahead or did i do the best thing to check the river?
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  • ClintonH83ClintonH83 Member Posts: 431
    edited March 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    amy91 Small blind  20.00 20.00 3335.00
    flex1980 Big blind  40.00 60.00 3955.00
     Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    bettingh21 All-in  160.00 220.00 0.00
    amiee1991 Fold     
    ClintonH83 Raise  500.00 720.00 5740.00
    Daw62 Call  500.00 1220.00 3335.00
    amy91 Fold     
    flex1980 All-in  3955.00 5175.00 0.00
    ClintonH83 Fold     
    Daw62 All-in  3335.00 8510.00 0.00
    flex1980 Unmatched bet  160.00 8350.00 160.00
    flex1980 Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    bettingh21 Show
    • 6
    • 7
    		   
    Daw62 Show
    • 10
    • K
    		   
    Flop
      
    • 5
    • 9
    • J
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 10
    		   
    River
      
    • 7
    		   
    Daw62 Win Flush to the King 8350.00  8350.00
    Going off point but how sickening is the flop for me hahahaha GUTTED!
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  • OCD_manOCD_man Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2012
    In Response to Shud i of bet the river?:
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance Daw62 Small blind   10.00 10.00 2910.00 deed73 Big blind   20.00 30.00 1710.00   Your hole cards Q J       somer Call   20.00 50.00 1940.00 bettingh21 Call   20.00 70.00 1850.00 sugu Raise   60.00 130.00 1320.00 ClintonH83 Call   60.00 190.00 2080.00 Daw62 Call   50.00 240.00 2860.00 deed73 Fold         somer Call   40.00 280.00 1900.00 bettingh21 Call   40.00 320.00 1810.00 Flop     4 4 Q       Daw62 Bet   20.00 340.00 2840.00 somer Fold         bettingh21 Call   20.00 360.00 1790.00 sugu Fold         ClintonH83 Raise   80.00 440.00 2000.00 Daw62 Raise   140.00 580.00 2700.00 bettingh21 Fold         ClintonH83 Call   80.00 660.00 1920.00 Turn     J       Daw62 Bet   330.00 990.00 2370.00 ClintonH83 Call   330.00 1320.00 1590.00 River     2       Daw62 Check         ClintonH83 Check         Daw62 Show K Q       ClintonH83 Show Q J       ClintonH83 Win Two Pairs, Queens and Jacks 1320.00   2910.00 I couldnt work out (and i dont know why) if i was winning? i was so sure he might have a 4? is this a massive mistake? shud i know im ahead or did i do the best thing to check the river?
    Posted by ClintonH83

    TBH - I cannot understand why you ever entered the pot in the first place. two limpers and a raise before you act is an insta fold, put the kettle on, relax and see what others are playing IMO.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2012
    Hand 1 - Your raise on the flop is WAY too small,  it's an extra 60 into a 320 pot, so you're gonna be getting called by absolutely anything. I don't mind calling in position on the turn to let him have another stab on the river. I think you could have got a bit more value on the river, maybe a bet of 500ish but it's not completely terrible to check behind.

    Hand 2 - Obviously no analysis really needed here lol, yeah it's a nice flop for you but that aside... good raise pre to isolate the shover. Once you've been called and then shoved on for like 90BBs, there's no way on earth you can call with AQs so you folded correctly as I'm sure you know.
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited March 2012
    OCD man makes a good point which I didn't mention... you calling the raise in Hand 1 basically invites every single player to come along which means you're gonna be wanting to flop the nuts (or near as da_mn it) to be able to carry on. Either fold there and then, or if you really wanna play the hand, then make it like 160-180 to take it down to HU with you having the button.
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  • ClintonH83ClintonH83 Member Posts: 431
    edited March 2012
    I probably agree but these guys were calling any raise, i was gonna raise it to about 60 anyway before the guy before me did so thought i'll call 60 see a flop if i miss ive only lost 60 so i'll fold.

    on the flop he raises 20 so thought i'll make it 80 to see if i can get info for cheap, didnt wanna put 200 in for him to re raise. once i hit 2 pair on the turn i was calling his 320 but by the river card i had no idea so decided to check.

    ive started to get a little technique going that if i find a player is calling any raise i'll put as minimum in the pot as i can (unless i have a very strong hand) to see what they do and then make a judgement.

    Yeah it might not be the best technique but some people will call anything! you only have to look at the second hand, the same guy went all in K10....

    That was a bounty hunter tournament which ive just gone out of, AQ raised pre flop to 2400 from 800 blind, guy in no blind called with 33, flop come Q37! i bet he raised, all in, out hahaha
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  • OCD_manOCD_man Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2012
    If you say everyone was calling any raise then why were you interested in playing a pot with a bad hand 5 way if you knew thats what would happen? you couldnt possibly be winning pre, so it was a huge gamble at such an early stage of a comp. Nuts if u ask me - but what the **** do i know!! lol
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  • ClintonH83ClintonH83 Member Posts: 431
    edited March 2012
    When i called the 60 raise i didnt know the other 3 were going to call? i quite like QJ and seeing as it was a bet of 60 i was going to make anyway thought id call and see a flop. The table i was on it was the best way to play it i think? IMO You have to adapt to the people you are playing, yeah its not text book poker but it works against them. Shud of known i was good from the J on the turn and either re raised and defo raised on the river! Oh well, you live and learn
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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited March 2012

    No, river check was fine for me.

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