advice and guidence

DrRunGood · March 2012

a combination of terrible play and dreadfull run of rivers im suprised im only down a bi 2nite and at 1 point was even up just 1 of those nights tho everything and anythin bad happend

thanks for advice tumtum23 its very much appreciated

im not bad with badbeats tho they dont get to me or tilt me.

TumTum23 · March 2012

wish you all the luck, but people would respect you more if you grinded your bankroll to them stakes instead of trying to get on a heater and running it up stupidly but each to there own

most the comments have been about bankroll management thats probably the MAIN advice.

if your looking for C4p which i didnt know about multitabling 4 nl10 tables would probably be more profitable then one nl50 due to looser players donk bets etc and getting more value from hands (im gessing its contribution based not hands dealt)

DrRunGood · March 2012

i got a 1k br so im comfy at 50nl plus im beatin that level so why do i need to move down at moment altho was playin 10nl today was good i enjoyed it and made nice profit

happy news aswel i just got back into profit for my session and with way ive played is a real acomplishment

DrRunGood · March 2012

p.s. ive had aces 12 times 2nite and havnt seen a flop with any of them and most been raised is 3 x and 4 times it was my bb

can i just add for every1 im not a new player to poker i have done my time at low stakes on pkr where im a winning player and in their top 500 winning players i just came to sky cause i watch it all the time on tv and took advantage of a promotion and really liked it so decided to try build a br. I was playin low stakes and didnt think it was worth while so i deposited bigger amount went to 50nl won £400 in a few days then deposited 600 to make 1k br to sit at tht level. i know if skiped few levels here but i havnt elsewhere and im here tryin to move on and improve to next level

TumTum23 · March 2012

sorry thought u where on £400. 20 buyins hmmm bit aggressive bankroll managment as long as u can move down if u suffer a bad run then no problem. i would consider doing 4 tables 5p/10p due to rake being paid = more C4P. GL.

TumTum23 · March 2012

4 table 5p/10p then more action lol

DrRunGood · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

4 table 5p/10p then more action lol
Posted by TumTum23

im going to take your advice tumtum il drop to 5/10nl il post results and a few hands.
may not be on 2nite tho as i have to sit and look through my play last night

stokefc · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

its good to hear your taking steps to improve your game and a good post my advice would be dnt tile when u get a bad beat and u say u have £200 what level are u playing at so if u do lose a buy in u can take it on the chin and bounce back my advice would be to play 10 nl for time being with a br of 200 and maybe multable if your comftable with that and see how u get on good luck at the tables from steve
Posted by IDONKCALLU

this is bad advice,i went and tiled my bathroom after a bad beat,saved me a fortune

DrRunGood · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

In Response to Re: advice and guidence : this is bad advice,i went and tiled my bathroom after a bad beat,saved me a fortune
Posted by stokefc

made me laugh

DrRunGood · March 2012

no im sorry i tried playing 10nl and its not poker its carnage yea i know it ok sayin u want ppl to be fishy to play and win but when u at 3 tables and 90 percent of players are over callin over raisin and genraly playing wild how am i meant to turn a profit i played for 2 hours grindin away playin solid and within 4 hands i had lost double what i won in 2 hours so for all the advice of playing lower im sorry my standard begins at 50nl below tht is like playin bingo/lotto and ive not read all the books ive read spent hours researching online and played 10 of thousands of hands to then throw it all out the window because im at a table with 5 wild bingo players tht when they i hit and they hit harder im losin cash im here for a profit and u cnt make it at lower tables without havin a spare 12 hours a day.

and before any1 says im not a good player cause i cnt handle it low stakes cash games for a start i dont need to i got cash to skip them.
and 2nd ive turned 100 into 400 (actualy 500 cause i withdrew my original 100) in a few days at 50nl only 1 losin session in a week but at 10nl i had 4 tables up and made a loss in every table

session 3 tabling 10nl

24 Mar '12 at 02:20PokerMaster Cash 1£-5.53£0.0024 Mar '12 at 02:20PokerMaster Cash 2£-20.00£0.0024 Mar '12 at 02:19PokerGatenby£-2.96£0.00total -28.49

to get my money back went back to 50nl
24 Mar '12 at 03:21PokerEast Kilbride£99.26£99.26
total + 99.26

simonnatur · March 2012

Would recommend a book to you "Fooled By Randomness" (seriously a very good read)

This is variance, not a strategy. You have focused on the result and ignored the (probably) at least equally likely outcomes where you lose a buyin or two. How will you cope with the bad beats that are out there in the future , lying in wait for you.

This is fine if you understand and can afford it.

DrRunGood · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

Would recommend a book to you "Fooled By Randomness" (seriously a very good read) This is variance, not a strategy. You have focused on the result and ignored the (probably) at least equally likely outcomes where you lose a buyin or two. How will you cope with the bad beats that are out there in the future , lying in wait for you. This is fine if you understand and can afford it.
Posted by simonnatur

i do understand them and i can afford it. I know br management is very important bu i think too many believe its the do all and end all. Ive already had a few big bad beats at 50nl and always managed to make it back whereas lower down i feel the badbeats come thicker and faster because of the amount of loose play. il take a look at the book thanks

Dudeskin8 · March 2012

What could be interesting is if you post up some of the big hands at each limit to see how you're winning/losing at each level and make sure that you're not just running well at one and bad at another.

Posting overall profit from one session means jack all but posting HOW you got that profit is much more informative.

Lambert180 · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

What could be interesting is if you post up some of the big hands at each limit to see how you're winning/losing at each level and make sure that you're not just running well at one and bad at another. Posting overall profit from one session means jack all but posting HOW you got that profit is much more informative.
Posted by Dudeskin8

+1

DrRunGood · March 2012

ok heres 5 biggest winning hands and 5 biggest losing hands

Flop
MrVHSENNA	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£71.66
Ubbi4820	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£38.00
	Your hole cards	K K
LOL_CHECK	Fold
Curt360x27	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£48.50
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£4.00	£6.25	£77.35
MrVHSENNA	Call		£3.75	£10.00	£67.91
Ubbi4820	Fold
Curt360x27	Raise		£11.50	£21.50	£37.00
DrRunGood	Call		£9.00	£30.50	£68.35
MrVHSENNA	Call		£9.00	£39.50	£58.91
		9 6 10
MrVHSENNA	Check
Curt360x27	All-in		£37.00	£76.50	£0.00
DrRunGood	Call		£37.00	£113.50	£31.35
MrVHSENNA	Fold
Curt360x27	Show	Q Q
DrRunGood	Show	K K
Turn
		10
River
		9
DrRunGood	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 10s	£111.70

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MrVHSENNA	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£47.56
Ubbi4820	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£48.00
	Your hole cards	5 5
LOL_CHECK	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£118.96
Curt360x27	Fold
Shippy1	Call		£2.00	£4.75	£45.72
DrRunGood	Call		£2.00	£6.75	£35.34
MrVHSENNA	Fold
Ubbi4820	Call		£1.50	£8.25	£46.50
Flop
		5 3 2
Ubbi4820	Check
LOL_CHECK	Bet		£6.19	£14.44	£112.77
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Call		£6.19	£20.63	£29.15
Ubbi4820	Fold
Turn
		7
LOL_CHECK	All-in		£112.77	£133.40	£0.00
DrRunGood	All-in		£29.15	£162.55	£0.00
LOL_CHECK	Unmatched bet		£83.62	£78.93	£83.62
LOL_CHECK	Show	9 9
DrRunGood	Show	5 5
River
		K
DrRunGood	Win	Three 5s	£77.13

Flop
DrRunGood	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£82.37
MrVHSENNA	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£44.18
	Your hole cards	Q J
Ubbi4820	Fold
LOL_CHECK	Fold
Curt360x27	Fold
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£80.87
MrVHSENNA	Call		£1.25	£3.50	£42.93
		5 4 J
DrRunGood	Bet		£1.50	£5.00	£79.37
MrVHSENNA	Call		£1.50	£6.50	£41.43
Turn
		K
DrRunGood	Check
MrVHSENNA	Bet		£3.25	£9.75	£38.18
DrRunGood	Call		£3.25	£13.00	£76.12
River
		5
DrRunGood	Check
MrVHSENNA	Bet		£7.00	£20.00	£31.18
DrRunGood	Call		£7.00	£27.00	£69.12
MrVHSENNA	Show	10 9
DrRunGood	Show	Q J
DrRunGood	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 5s	£25.65

Flop
MrVHSENNA	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£30.93
Ubbi4820	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£50.64
	Your hole cards	9 J
LOL_CHECK	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£77.89
Curt360x27	Fold
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Call		£1.50	£3.75	£93.27
MrVHSENNA	Call		£1.25	£5.00	£29.68
Ubbi4820	Fold
		8 9 7
MrVHSENNA	Check
LOL_CHECK	Check
DrRunGood	Bet		£1.50	£6.50	£91.77
MrVHSENNA	Call		£1.50	£8.00	£28.18
LOL_CHECK	Call		£1.50	£9.50	£76.39
Turn
		10
MrVHSENNA	Check
LOL_CHECK	Check
DrRunGood	Bet		£2.00	£11.50	£89.77
MrVHSENNA	Call		£2.00	£13.50	£26.18
LOL_CHECK	Call		£2.00	£15.50	£74.39
River
		8
MrVHSENNA	Check
LOL_CHECK	Check
DrRunGood	Check
MrVHSENNA	Show	6 7
LOL_CHECK	Muck	10 A
DrRunGood	Show	9 J
DrRunGood	Win	Straight to the Jack	£14.72

Flop
neely0y0	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£25.98
Rumpy	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£17.81
	Your hole cards	K K
DrRunGood	Raise		£0.40	£0.55	£18.60
trevor1954	Fold
BOBSKI12	Call		£0.40	£0.95	£27.08
BAGGPUSS	Call		£0.40	£1.35	£28.73
neely0y0	Fold
Rumpy	Fold
		6 K Q
DrRunGood	Bet		£0.40	£1.75	£18.20
BOBSKI12	Call		£0.40	£2.15	£26.68
BAGGPUSS	Fold
Turn
		9
DrRunGood	Bet		£0.40	£2.55	£17.80
BOBSKI12	Call		£0.40	£2.95	£26.28
River
		Q
DrRunGood	Bet		£1.40	£4.35	£16.40
BOBSKI12	Raise		£4.28	£8.63	£22.00
DrRunGood	All-in		£16.40	£25.03	£0.00
BOBSKI12	Fold
DrRunGood	Muck
DrRunGood	Win		£10.64		£10.64
DrRunGood	Return		£13.52

DrRunGood · March 2012

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Rumpy	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£11.22
DrRunGood	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£31.63
	Your hole cards	Q A
BOBSKI12	Raise		£0.20	£0.35	£48.43
neely0y0	Call		£0.20	£0.55	£26.02
Rumpy	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£0.50	£1.05	£31.13
BOBSKI12	Fold
neely0y0	Call		£0.40	£1.45	£25.62
Flop
		9 7 Q
DrRunGood	Check
neely0y0	Check
Turn
		A
DrRunGood	Bet		£0.60	£2.05	£30.53
neely0y0	Raise		£1.80	£3.85	£23.82
DrRunGood	All-in		£30.53	£34.38	£0.00
neely0y0	All-in		£23.82	£58.20	£0.00
DrRunGood	Unmatched bet		£5.51	£52.69	£5.51
DrRunGood	Show	Q A
neely0y0	Show	7 A
River
		7
neely0y0	Win	Full House, 7s and Aces	£51.29

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
MrVHSENNA	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£51.60
Ubbi4820	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£45.75
	Your hole cards	J 5
LOL_CHECK	Fold
Curt360x27	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£55.09
DrRunGood	Raise		£4.00	£6.25	£151.51
MrVHSENNA	Fold
Ubbi4820	Call		£3.50	£9.75	£42.25
Curt360x27	Call		£2.50	£12.25	£52.59
Flop
		3 8 Q
Ubbi4820	Check
Curt360x27	Check
DrRunGood	Bet		£7.00	£19.25	£144.51
Ubbi4820	Raise		£14.00	£33.25	£28.25
Curt360x27	Fold
DrRunGood	Fold
Ubbi4820	Muck
Ubbi4820	Win		£24.93		£53.18
Ubbi4820	Return		£7.00

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Shippy1	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£50.70
DrRunGood	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£28.81
MrVHSENNA	Big blind		£0.50	£1.25	£38.90
	Your hole cards	J K
MrVHSENNA	Raise		£0.50	£1.75	£38.40
LOL_CHECK	Fold
Curt360x27	Call		£1.00	£2.75	£63.05
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£3.50	£6.25	£25.31
MrVHSENNA	Call		£3.00	£9.25	£35.40
Curt360x27	Call		£3.00	£12.25	£60.05
Flop
		9 3 A
DrRunGood	Check
MrVHSENNA	Bet		£6.25	£18.50	£29.15
Curt360x27	Fold
DrRunGood	Fold
MrVHSENNA	Muck
MrVHSENNA	Win		£11.87		£41.02
MrVHSENNA	Return		£6.25

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Curt360x27	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£64.80
Shippy1	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£45.07
	Your hole cards	Q J
DrRunGood	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£50.09
MrVHSENNA	Call		£1.50	£3.75	£39.44
LOL_CHECK	Fold
Curt360x27	Fold
Shippy1	Call		£1.00	£4.75	£44.07
Flop
		9 10 6
Shippy1	Check
DrRunGood	Bet		£2.50	£7.25	£47.59
MrVHSENNA	Call		£2.50	£9.75	£36.94
Shippy1	Call		£2.50	£12.25	£41.57
Turn
		3
Shippy1	Check
DrRunGood	Check
MrVHSENNA	Check
River
		6
Shippy1	Bet		£12.25	£24.50	£29.32
DrRunGood	Fold
MrVHSENNA	Fold
Shippy1	Muck
Shippy1	Win		£11.63		£40.95
Shippy1	Return		£12.25

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
gibbzy	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£31.79
DrRunGood	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£10.02
	Your hole cards	7 A
Ms_Chips	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£2.98
tillytrot	Fold
REDROSCOE	Fold
gibbzy	Raise		£0.20	£0.45	£31.59
DrRunGood	Call		£0.15	£0.60	£9.87
Ms_Chips	Call		£0.15	£0.75	£2.83
Flop
		10 7 4
gibbzy	Bet		£0.20	£0.95	£31.39
DrRunGood	Call		£0.20	£1.15	£9.67
Ms_Chips	Raise		£0.88	£2.03	£1.95
gibbzy	Fold
DrRunGood	Call		£0.68	£2.71	£8.99
Turn
		J
DrRunGood	Check
Ms_Chips	All-in		£1.95	£4.66	£0.00
DrRunGood	Call		£1.95	£6.61	£7.04
DrRunGood	Show	7 A
Ms_Chips	Show	4 4
River
		K
Ms_Chips	Win	Three 4s	£6.11

DrRunGood · March 2012

i know my loses aint big and in most hands aint too much wrong but thats what im sayin im just more profitable at 25/50 that is all

Curt360x27 · March 2012

Just read most of this thread and I think the main thing to consider is what you want to achieve. Do you want to just play for fun and if you lose then so what as you can afford it. If this is the case then I think what you are doing is fine. If poker is just a hobby then I say BR shouldn't even cross your mind, as long as you can afford it then its fine to play whatever limits you want as you will learn a lot and using good table selection can win a decent amount of money. However if you want to take it more seriously and give playing semi-pro with a view to playing full time ago, then BR management is vital. Really you you want 100 BI for the level your playing at as its important to be able to ride out inevatable down swings that will come along. Also 100 BI+ allows for taken shots at higher stakes when the games running are good (this will mostly be weekends). This will give your bankroll a big boost and will help your game massively playing against some of the best regs on the site.
However if you just are just playing for fun then forget everything I just said and go wild with your BR and enjoy yourself. GL

DrRunGood · March 2012

In Response to Re: advice and guidence:

Just read most of this thread and I think the main thing to consider is what you want to achieve. Do you want to just play for fun and if you lose then so what as you can afford it. If this is the case then I think what you are doing is fine. If poker is just a hobby then I say BR shouldn't even cross your mind, as long as you can afford it then its fine to play whatever limits you want as you will learn a lot and using good table selection can win a decent amount of money. However if you want to take it more seriously and give playing semi-pro with a view to playing full time ago, then BR management is vital. Really you you want 100 BI for the level your playing at as its important to be able to ride out inevatable down swings that will come along. Also 100 BI+ allows for taken shots at higher stakes when the games running are good (this will mostly be weekends). This will give your bankroll a big boost and will help your game massively playing against some of the best regs on the site. However if you just are just playing for fun then forget everything I just said and go wild with your BR and enjoy yourself. GL
Posted by Curt360x27

Just a hobbie i have no view to going semi pro or ft but i do want to walk away with profit as should any1 that plays the whole point in this thread at start was to get help on some play to think more bout way i play hands or make moves but it has kinda went into a br management arguement lol
thanks for advice

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