Did I miss out on some value here

Arteta4

Hi,

Preflop
Probably the first time (ever) I've raised behind limpers with small pocket pair pre flop. Is this a good move or should I look to call here. I didn't think it would get re-raised so used it as a chance to build the pot although it must have looked a little suspicious (with just a 3xr)

Flop
V nice looking flop with the 2 high cards out.
Perhaps should have bet just less than pot here?
£1 maybe?

Turn
Had player on a flush draw so purposely bet less than pot but also wanted to charge quite a bit.
What do you think is ideal bet size at this stage. Do you scare off or temp the call?
River
Couple of straight draws would beat me but wasn't really thinking this through great at this stage.
If I was raised I would have just called so I bet a little less than half pot here.
I think there could have been some big hands that may have called more at this point so probably played the river poorly. Turns out seeing his hand now, he wouldn't have called a great deal more anyways.

danny20	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£9.33
TheCats86	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£11.83
	Your hole cards	6 6
cyall	Call		£0.10	£0.25	£9.67
huni	Call		£0.10	£0.35	£5.98
v1	Call		£0.10	£0.45	£18.43
Arteta4	Raise		£0.30	£0.75	£21.27
danny20	Fold
TheCats86	Fold
cyall	Fold
huni	Call		£0.20	£0.95	£5.78
Reyes01	Call		£0.20	£1.15	£18.23
Flop
		A 6 K
huni	Check
v1	Check
Arteta4	Bet		£0.86	£2.01	£20.41
huni	Call		£0.86	£2.87	£4.92
v1	Call		£0.86	£3.73	£17.37
Turn
		7
huni	Check
v1	Check
Arteta4	Bet		£3.40	£7.13	£17.01
huni	Fold
v1	Call		£3.40	£10.53	£13.97
River
		10
v1	Check
Arteta4	Bet		£4.50	£15.03	£12.51
v1	Call		£4.50	£19.53	£9.47
Arteta4	Show	6 6
v1	Muck	2 K
Arteta4	Win	Three 6s	£18.13		£30.64

rancid

if your not b/f river then bet more or maybe shove

grantorino

prob just limp behind 3 limpers without good reads esp when some are short. I sometimes raise these spots, but everyone tells me its a leak, I think if you are doing it make it bigger and you should know some of them limpfold a bit

bet river bigger, call it off if he shoves

Dudeskin8

100% limp behind for me pre, if you want to raise though it has to be MUCH bigger 30p is just pot building with a hand that 3-way only has value if hit set.

Flop turn fine then you suddenly bet less than half pot, why was this? At this stage you have to got for max and by the river the pot is bigger enough to at least pot it but after two calls maybe even shove as pot is just a bit less than his stack. 

Arteta4

I agree, river bet was bad.
Few more seconds on the timer, I may have pushed that bet up quite significantly. (Little put off by a possible JQ but playing the hand back now he couldn't have called that hand on flop & turn anyway).

Anyway, hopefully I'l learn for next time.

Dudeskin8

In Response to Re: Did I miss out on some value here:

I agree, river bet was bad. Few more seconds on the timer, I may have pushed that bet up quite significantly. (Little put off by a possible JQ but playing the hand back now he couldn't have called that hand on flop & turn anyway). Anyway, hopefully I'l learn for next time.
Posted by Arteta4

Yeah I do this sometimes, doing the rounds of going through the hands you're losing to lol, but sometimes like here playing the hand back again QJ just wouldn't make sense (unless he's an uba fish) so you just have to go for it and be happy getting it in.

percival09

limping is def best pre imo

b/c river - shove is a poss but def not half pot bet

BorinLoner

I would always raise this pre-flop. If you limp, you'll take this probably six-handed to a flop, which is great if you hit the set. Surely someone will have something on the flop and you'll get paid. I think that's not too bad if you're checking your BB or making-up from the SB but we're on the button here and I think you're wasting your position if you just limp behind here.

I'd make it 60p and expect to go heads-up or three-handed to a flop. The reason that's good for us is that we can represent a bigger hand than we have on the ocassions we miss the set and on the ocassions we hit the set, we've built a bigger pot. Playing in position also makes it alot easier to get value through the streets, since we can see what our opponents' make of the board before we act and can bet strongly or weakly or check as seems to be best, based on our evaluation of the flop, etc. Also by raising the button we can sometimes take it down pre-flop, which we can never be too unhappy about with just a pair of sixes.

I think your idea to raise the button is fine but by making it 30p you were always likely to bring players along with you. You were lucky to get it three-handed, really.

rancid

flatting btn here is just one dimensional poker isn't it

Dudeskin8

The reason limping is good is that when we hit a set we want as many other players in as possible, if we had flatted it might have gone 6-way which is great for our potential monster.

If there was one limper then of course raise as it'll most likely end heads up but here even with 60p raise at least two would have called and then if you miss you have to try and bluff 2 players or more likely just fold to any bets.

I also admit we need to get lucky in another player hitting TP/SP/draw etc but with 5 oppo's it's gonna be pretty **** hard for them all to miss lol

rancid

just my opnion but flatting btn here just means we fold a lot of flops and only win hand when we hit set

raise more pre, play btn - win more
espeically if it's a limp/folding table - gotta be winning money more ways than just wow hit set )

Dudeskin8

OP doesn't mention if it's a limp/folding table, if he did then raise could be better but in general at NL10 not many will limp/fold unless you make it really big pre, which doesn't seem that great to me with a hand that has value pre but almost none postflop if you miss.

Just out of interest would you raise nice and big at NL4 in this spot ?

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