this got to me

DrRunGood

this hand really put me off my stride let me give you a view on what had happend 10 mins leading upto this hand
i was 4 tabling and heres what happend

thebil123	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£50.00
tumbles6	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£12.30
	Your hole cards	8 8
pryce6	Fold
scotty77	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£36.10
xTundra	Call		£1.50	£3.75	£47.25
thebil123	Call		£1.25	£5.00	£48.75
tumbles6	Call		£1.00	£6.00	£11.30
Flop
		8 K 9
thebil123	Check
tumbles6	Bet		£1.00	£7.00	£10.30
DrRunGood	Raise		£3.00	£10.00	£33.10
xTundra	Fold
thebil123	Call		£3.00	£13.00	£45.75
tumbles6	Call		£2.00	£15.00	£8.30
Turn
		K
thebil123	Check
tumbles6	Bet		£7.50	£22.50	£0.80
DrRunGood	Call		£7.50	£30.00	£25.60
thebil123	All-in		£45.75	£75.75	£0.00
tumbles6	All-in		£0.80	£76.55	£0.00
DrRunGood	All-in		£25.60	£102.15	£0.00
thebil123	Unmatched bet		£12.65	£89.50	£12.65
thebil123	Show	9 9
tumbles6	Show	5 K
DrRunGood	Show	8 8
River
		9
thebil123	Win	Four 9s	£87.70

Shippy1	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£93.86
DrRunGood	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£23.50
	Your hole cards	J J
scotty77	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£47.00
thebil123	Fold
River_Rat1	Call		£1.50	£3.75	£22.70
pryce6	Call		£1.50	£5.25	£62.38
Shippy1	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£5.00	£10.25	£18.50
scotty77	All-in		£47.00	£57.25	£0.00
River_Rat1	All-in		£22.70	£79.95	£0.00
pryce6	Fold
DrRunGood	All-in		£18.50	£98.45	£0.00
scotty77	Unmatched bet		£24.30	£74.15	£24.30
DrRunGood	Show	J J
scotty77	Show	A A
River_Rat1	Show	A K
Flop
		10 Q 7
Turn
		6
River
		5
scotty77	Win	Pair of Aces	£72.35

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Buckbeak	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£24.00
pryce6	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£53.30
	Your hole cards	A K
scotty77	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£20.28
Die_hard	Raise		£6.50	£9.25	£59.69
Buckbeak	Fold
pryce6	Fold
DrRunGood	Call		£4.50	£13.75	£15.78
Flop
		K 9 J
DrRunGood	Check
Die_hard	Bet		£10.00	£23.75	£49.69
DrRunGood	All-in		£15.78	£39.53	£0.00
Die_hard	Call		£5.78	£45.31	£43.91
DrRunGood	Show	A K
Die_hard	Show	Q A
Turn
		10
River
		3
Die_hard	Win	Straight to the Ace	£43.51

DrRunGood

so after those 3 hands all within few mins b4 this hand gives you an idea of my mindset its not feelin that great as you can imagine then this happend and i just couldnt call on river with those hands in back of my mind or should i have
normal i would call this if im beat im beat but cause of the amount of pair over pair i saw in space of a few hands i couldnt

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
ss63	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£34.90
Die_hard	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£103.95
	Your hole cards	J J
markcunl09	Raise		£2.00	£2.75	£91.58
dannyhac21	Fold
DrRunGood	Raise		£6.00	£8.75	£74.87
pryce6	Fold
ss63	Call		£5.75	£14.50	£29.15
Die_hard	Fold
markcunl09	Call		£4.00	£18.50	£87.58
Flop
		10 4 3
ss63	Check
markcunl09	Bet		£7.00	£25.50	£80.58
DrRunGood	Call		£7.00	£32.50	£67.87
ss63	Call		£7.00	£39.50	£22.15
Turn
		3
ss63	Check
markcunl09	Bet		£9.90	£49.40	£70.68
DrRunGood	Call		£9.90	£59.30	£57.97
ss63	Call		£9.90	£69.20	£12.25
River
		2
ss63	All-in		£12.25	£81.45	£0.00
markcunl09	All-in		£70.68	£152.13	£0.00
DrRunGood	Fold
markcunl09	Unmatched bet		£58.43	£93.70	£58.43
ss63	Show	A 10
markcunl09	Show	8 8
ss63	Win	Two Pairs, 10s and 3s	£91.90

percival09

hand 1 is completely standard and happens regularly enough just to shrug it off, it's gonna happen, fwiw I'd either raise the flop bigger or just flat call

hand 2 the 3b is too small but I guess with your stack it's ok because I doubt anyone's gonna float vs you, so that's standard

hand 3 you should always be getting AK in pre with your stack in that situation, flatting OOP is pretty bad

hand 4 i think flatting the flop is ok, if you have reads on villain and you know he could be donking with TPTK or worse I'm always raising, so that's read dependant. River is a tough spot but if you think you're ahead on the flop/turn you probably should call though. Once again, it's probably read dependant, would he do that with missed draws, sets, TP? 

if one hand is gonna put you off your stride you really should stop playing and learn how to take it ... you'll consistently lose money if a simple bad beat puts you off your game

DrRunGood

In Response to Re: this got to me:

hand 1 is completely standard and happens regularly enough just to shrug it off, it's gonna happen, fwiw I'd either raise the flop bigger or just flat call hand 2 the 3b is too small but I guess with your stack it's ok because I doubt anyone's gonna float vs you, so that's standard hand 3 you should always be getting AK in pre with your stack in that situation, flatting OOP is pretty bad hand 4 i think flatting the flop is ok, if you have reads on villain and you know he could be donking with TPTK or worse I'm always raising, so that's read dependant. River is a tough spot but if you think you're ahead on the flop/turn you probably should call though. Once again, it's probably read dependant, would he do that with missed draws, sets, TP?  if one hand is gonna put you off your stride you really should stop playing and learn how to take it ... you'll consistently lose money if a simple bad beat puts you off your game
Posted by percival09

it wasnt 1 bad beat it was 3 in quick succession thats what im gettin at they didnt tilt me it was fact they happend  i had in back my head i was prob looking at aces or kings as he came over the top knowing i was acting next so think its harsh and wrong to say i need to learn to deal with a beat when its a bigger situation than that and i wudnt say i was tilting just made a bad fold but in most other situations mayb it was a good fold

percival09

only 2 of them were bad beats, one set over set and the other where the AQ turns a straight

JJ losing to AA isn't a bad beat, nor is you making an incorrect fold

percival09

it's just unfortunate, a lot of the time you're correct, your JJ wouldn't have been good and you would've made a great fold! just not today.. carry on playing and if you're a consistently good player, you'll eventually grind out a profit

BorinLoner

I might say more on these later, but for now I want to focus on the second hand, with the JJ. Even when we're short-stacking, as you are in this hand, we can't call here with JJ. There's been a 4-bet all-in from a really experienced and intelligent player and this has then been called before it comes back to you. The chances of neither of our opponents having an overpair here are very slim. We effectively need them both to have AK and that's not going to be the case very often.

I have to say that there is a bigger issue I can point out from this hand history: Your table selection. In this hand you are playing against at least two of the top players on the site. It's great that you have Pryce on your right but it's terrible that you have Scotty77 on your left. You probably have the worst seat at the table with these two either side of you, as they will be the players you play more pots with than anyone else. Scotty will have position on you in almost every hand and will probably only play his SB with big hands anyway. This is really bad news. Frankly they're both likely to be better than you and you can certainly find better tables and better seats than this.

Table selection is massively important in cash poker. Don't make yourself prey for the top sharks on the site. It won't turn out well for you.

DrRunGood

ok il say agin im not complaining bout having badbeats if they are are arnt bad beats im not botherd bout that i just thought was easier to put a few hands up that happend just b4 the hand im pointing out to show why i folded the jacks. i know they aint bad beats i know the jacks was a terrible call. im more want to know in this situation in the 4th hand would in normally be a good fold?

the seat positions im afraid was basicaly same players every table usualy is at that level scotty77 pryce6 thebill123 and me lately always seem to be same 4 at the tables then 2 others good players yes but im not adfraid to play them if i was i dont think id play poker.

but thinks for the view on the jacks hand i do know was horrible call again 1 thing leading to the fold quite funny bout the only big hand i folded 2night and it was only 1 i would have won lol

feel free to look at the other hands as said tho i know 1 is massive cooler set over set the other was just die hard getting lucky after doing what i was expecting because he was tilting cause i beat his aces in another table a min b4.

Die_hard

I wasn't tilting btw lol, I was rather erm annoyed (sry). It wasn't so much that hand either, before that hand I'd won zero all in's all night (about 3 hours) pre/post flop when getting the money in ahead in, I reckon about a good 12 or so up to then. Was running horrible. Did bink a couple later though that hand 3 there with me was standard I'd say given your stack size - nowt you could've done there.

I'm no better than you (better than hardly anyone tbh )but you really can't call with JJ vx scotty there, he's practically never behind to you imo.

And that one where you folded was similar to one I folded to markcunl09 tonight - 50 in middle and I folded JJ on a 10 high board for an extra 27 after the river - all because of tosh I'd had against me on the river in about 3 hands the 5 mins previously lol - he showed 6 high or something lol.

Edit: As said below, obviously just jam after my 3bet (and be happy when I call lol, result irrellavent)

AMYBR

Hand 1 standard

Hand 2 3bet J's there shallow is bit grim.  Prefer flat pre.  If sat with full BI dont hate 3b fold, but as shallow cant.

Hand 3 is 4bet shove pre with 40bbs....always....

Hand 4:  I raise flop/turn (to continue line of strength + isolate IP/ extract vl from draws), but as played I prob also fold river.

Saw another thread where there were alot of comments surrounding BRM & sitting with a full stack.  I suspect you need to take it on board bud

grantorino

1 raise flop bigger

2 3bet bigger pre

3 jam over 3bet pre

4. read dependent. I might flat pre, I call river sometimes

BUY IN FULL

thebil123

Hand 1 cooler mate ul

Hand 2 Fold - 4bet jam from scotty is always better than jacks, even at best your racing.

Hand 3 4bet jam pre - u only have 20 odd quid

Hand 4 Played too passively, unless u know the players to bluff alot, think i wouda re raised flop n turn/allin.