Should be good- more money to be made Posted by Grimstar30
I love the game, it's a great break from Texas-Holdem and i'd love some big runner big money tourney's. I don't know how experianced you personally are with PLO but for those who haven't played, or who have only dipped their toe in the water so to speak then i urge you to do so with caution.
even for very good players, in this game the swings are deadly. try it out for fun, enjoy the game, but be carefull before investing much of your BR in this as you spend most of your time drawing only to be re-darwn against.
i think this will become the cash game of choice for the top players on the site but there will be a reason for that, everybody is going to pay them off lol (certainly at first).
One thing Sky does have a lot of is loyal players. There are lots of players here who don't play there poker anywhere else. (which i'm sure Sky love as a loyal member in the general Poker World is like Santa Claus....SHHhhhhh don't tell the Kids but theres no such thing lol) Which means experiance with this game and it's very different starting ranges are going to be very limited at first.
Not trying to put anyone off this great game just a word of caution is all, you can lose twice as much twice as often with this beast lol
I am really looking forward to this game coming to sky poker. Will be interesting to see which of the many regular players take part in this, and what affect this will have on the number playing hold em. I would mainly stick to holdem personally, but would have an occasional go at omaha to try and pick it up.
I would look forward to the help in the threads that tk has indicated he will provide so it would be good for a lot of us to learn at the same time.
Just to check, though, will it just be pot limit omaha, or will their be no limit as well?
I am really looking forward to this game coming to sky poker. Will be interesting to see which of the many regular players take part in this, and what affect this will have on the number playing hold em. I would mainly stick to holdem personally, but would have an occasional go at omaha to try and pick it up. I would look forward to the help in the threads that tk has indicated he will provide so it would be good for a lot of us to learn at the same time. Just to check, though, will it just be pot limit omaha, or will their be no limit as well? Posted by Buistyboy
Trust me pot limit is scary enough lol - I've not seen this game in a NL limit version as the Pots end up huge as it is, Lots of pot sized betting and as you tend to get less HU pots pre flop and more people drawing then all the money can end up in the middle easy enough
i have seen omaha nl freerolls elsewhere and gave it a try to see what it was like. I found it to be fun for a slight change to playing holdem, but i was even more clueless than i am at hold em. As i say, it was no limit so I'm not sure how that compares to pot limit, and i will be having a look at it either way.
I think if i understood the game a bit better, i would understand why pot limit is more common.
Given your knowldege of the game, perhaps i will try and avoid your tables once it arrives mate...
hi again aces i have seen omaha nl freerolls elsewhere and gave it a try to see what it was like. I found it to be fun for a slight change to playing holdem, but i was even more clueless than i am at hold em. As i say, it was no limit so I'm not sure how that compares to pot limit, and i will be having a look at it either way. I think if i understood the game a bit better, i would understand why pot limit is more common. Given your knowldege of the game, perhaps i will try and avoid your tables once it arrives mate... Posted by Buistyboy
lol I wish i was that knowledgeable, an education paid for and not yet finished im affraid
I'm sure everybody will love it for the a mix up but no doubt once the initial buzz dies down then holdem wil lcontinue to rule supreame. It is good fun and that's all i treat it as. Certainly not an expert at playing it but do enjoy it a lot. Doesn't sound like it will be here for quite a few months though so it's MTT's in holdem on here till then lol
In Response to Re: PLO : As a %, not many probably. But fret not, when it comes - & it's well down the Development & Testing Road now - I'll do a crash-course in Omaha basics on the Forum. Posted by Tikay10
That would be good but an interview on screen with Simon Trumper would be even better - he is so good at getting the basics across - and that thing he did with choose a hand and see how many times you are going to hit when I deal the cards thing was amazing.
Can't wait for Omaha - it can drive you dizzy but hi/lo in particular would be great.
In Response to Re: PLO : That would be good but an interview on screen with Simon Trumper would be even better - he is so good at getting the basics across - and that thing he did with choose a hand and see how many times you are going to hit when I deal the cards thing was amazing. Can't wait for Omaha - it can drive you dizzy but hi/lo in particular would be great. Posted by Dingdell
We might just try & organise that, Simon Trumper is not only a very accomplished Omaha player - the database does not lie - but the BEST Omaha teacher I have ever met.
Ding refers to an impromptu Omaha Beginners Course Simon Trumper did one night at DTD.
Simon dealt out 6 out hands to 6 players - face-up - & then asked everyone what chances each hand had of winning. EVERY player got it wrong, & Simon predicted it correctly. He then dealt the flop, rinse repeat, turn, ditto, & River. Never have so many players grasped the concept of Omaha so quickly. He also explained WHY everyone was getting it wrong, & the whys & whats of each hand. Brilliant!
He did another thing too - this only works for Omaha newbies - but it's not bad for beginners to get the idea.
Starting Hand Criteria in Omaha is crucial. Many players struggle to pass a hand in Texas, so faced with 4 Cards, they'll never Pass a hand. And soon go busto.
The real criteria is "cards that work well together, & no danglers".
Simon's trick, not perfect by any means, but very very useful, was to tell players to break their 4 cards into two-card Hold-em Hands. Four cards = 6 two card Texas hands (A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, B-D, C-D), & THEN he said "you MUST have a MINIMUM of FOUR Hold-em Hands to enter a Pot".
What is a Hold-Em hand? Any Pair, any straighting cards, suited Aces, etc. Now, it's hard to find four of them very often, & maybe thats a bit too tight, but for learners, it's ideal.
For example.
9s, 10h, Js, Jh. (Call them A-B-C-D if it's easier). How many "reasonable" Texas starting hands do we have there?
In Response to Re: PLO : We might just try & organise that, Simon Trumper is not only a very accomplished Omaha player - the database does not lie - but the BEST Omaha teacher I have ever met. Ding refers to an impromptu Omaha Beginners Course Simon Trumper did one night at DTD. Simon dealt out 6 out hands to 6 players - face-up - & then asked everyone what chances each hand had of winning. EVERY player got it wrong, & Simon predicted it correctly. He then dealt the flop, rinse repeat, turn, ditto, & River. Never have so many players grasped the concept of Omaha so quickly. He also explained WHY everyone was getting it wrong, & the whys & whats of each hand. Brilliant! Posted by Tikay10
WOW....I have never played it but I could possibly be interested if it got off the ground and there were good tutorials to back it up. They want to give this guy Simon a nickname.....i dont know......something like .....'aces'...... : )
In Response to Re: PLO : WOW....I have never played it but I could possibly be interested if it got off the ground and there were good tutorials to back it up. They want to give this guy Simon a nickname.....i dont know......something like .....'aces'...... : ) Posted by MAXALLY
There WILL be tutorials, in the Poker Starategy Board, & in 865, I'm quite sure.
I'm no expert - far from it - but I do OK at it, especially Tourneys. So I'd be happy to arrange a set of evening "meet-ups" at different locations (Casinos) around the Country if there was any interest or demand.
He did another thing too - this only works for Omaha newbies - but it's not bad for beginners to get the idea. Starting Hand Criteria in Omaha is crucial. Many players struggle to pass a hand in Texas, so faced with 4 Cards, they'll never Pass a hand. And soon go busto. The real criteria is "cards that work well together, & no danglers". Simon's trick, not perfect by any means, but very very useful, was to tell players to break their 4 cards into two-card Hold-em Hands. Four cards = 6 two card Texas hands (A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, B-D, C-D), & THEN he said "you MUST have a MINIMUM of FOUR Hold-em Hands to enter a Pot". What is a Hold-Em hand? Any Pair, any straighting cards, suited Aces, etc. Now, it's hard to find four of them very often, & maybe thats a bit too tight, but for learners, it's ideal. For example. 9s, 10h, Js, Jh. (Call them A-B-C-D if it's easier). How many "reasonable" Texas starting hands do we have there? Posted by Tikay10
JJ +1
Jh10h +1
9s Js + 1 (just?)
10h Js +.5
9s 10h + .5
I would say defo 3 starting hands in NLH. Maybe 4 at a push. So you could say not to play this hand?
In Response to Re: PLO : JJ +1 Jh10h +1 9s Js + 1 (just?) 10h Js +.5 9s 10h + .5 I would say defo 3 starting hands in NLH. Maybe 4 at a push. So you could say not to play this hand? Posted by Grimstar30
No, I think it's quite playable, if it's cheap enough to get to the Flop. Not perfect, far from it, but there is no such thing really. A-A-A-A would be just horrible, for example (muck it quickly!) so we need to think wider.
I'd prefer it it were 8-9-T-J DS, but it's OK.
I have a weakness for hands with 10's in them, as the 10 is (or are, if you have two of them, even better) a great blocker card, needed to fill ANY high straight. Straights & flushes are MUCH more prevelant in Omaha than in Texas. In 4 Card Omaha, one pair is almost the equivelant of "A high" in Texas.
I agree with Chhas, Hi -Lo is taxing, but i guess that will be further down the road than PLO and an even more limited market. I can't wait to see how the site reacts to PLO and re-buy tournies in general when they arrive. All the people that play ace rag on here will have fun, but go broke that much quicker or drive us completely insane as they reload for the 10th time!
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even for very good players, in this game the swings are deadly. try it out for fun, enjoy the game, but be carefull before investing much of your BR in this as you spend most of your time drawing only to be re-darwn against.
i think this will become the cash game of choice for the top players on the site but there will be a reason for that, everybody is going to pay them off lol (certainly at first).
One thing Sky does have a lot of is loyal players. There are lots of players here who don't play there poker anywhere else. (which i'm sure Sky love as a loyal member in the general Poker World is like Santa Claus....SHHhhhhh don't tell the Kids but theres no such thing lol) Which means experiance with this game and it's very different starting ranges are going to be very limited at first.
Not trying to put anyone off this great game just a word of caution is all, you can lose twice as much twice as often with this beast lol
I am really looking forward to this game coming to sky poker. Will be interesting to see which of the many regular players take part in this, and what affect this will have on the number playing hold em. I would mainly stick to holdem personally, but would have an occasional go at omaha to try and pick it up.
I would look forward to the help in the threads that tk has indicated he will provide so it would be good for a lot of us to learn at the same time.
Just to check, though, will it just be pot limit omaha, or will their be no limit as well?
i have seen omaha nl freerolls elsewhere and gave it a try to see what it was like. I found it to be fun for a slight change to playing holdem, but i was even more clueless than i am at hold em. As i say, it was no limit so I'm not sure how that compares to pot limit, and i will be having a look at it either way.
I think if i understood the game a bit better, i would understand why pot limit is more common.
Given your knowldege of the game, perhaps i will try and avoid your tables once it arrives mate...
I'm sure everybody will love it for the a mix up but no doubt once the initial buzz dies down then holdem wil lcontinue to rule supreame. It is good fun and that's all i treat it as. Certainly not an expert at playing it but do enjoy it a lot. Doesn't sound like it will be here for quite a few months though so it's MTT's in holdem on here till then lol
Can't wait for Omaha - it can drive you dizzy but hi/lo in particular would be great.
Ding refers to an impromptu Omaha Beginners Course Simon Trumper did one night at DTD.
Simon dealt out 6 out hands to 6 players - face-up - & then asked everyone what chances each hand had of winning. EVERY player got it wrong, & Simon predicted it correctly. He then dealt the flop, rinse repeat, turn, ditto, & River. Never have so many players grasped the concept of Omaha so quickly. He also explained WHY everyone was getting it wrong, & the whys & whats of each hand. Brilliant!
He did another thing too - this only works for Omaha newbies - but it's not bad for beginners to get the idea.
Starting Hand Criteria in Omaha is crucial. Many players struggle to pass a hand in Texas, so faced with 4 Cards, they'll never Pass a hand. And soon go busto.
The real criteria is "cards that work well together, & no danglers".
Simon's trick, not perfect by any means, but very very useful, was to tell players to break their 4 cards into two-card Hold-em Hands. Four cards = 6 two card Texas hands (A-B, A-C, A-D, B-C, B-D, C-D), & THEN he said "you MUST have a MINIMUM of FOUR Hold-em Hands to enter a Pot".
What is a Hold-Em hand? Any Pair, any straighting cards, suited Aces, etc. Now, it's hard to find four of them very often, & maybe thats a bit too tight, but for learners, it's ideal.
For example.
9s, 10h, Js, Jh. (Call them A-B-C-D if it's easier). How many "reasonable" Texas starting hands do we have there?
By the way, a "dangler" is a card that does not fit with the rest of your hand.
So, with single-suited A-A-K-7, the 7 is the dangler, as it does not fit the hand.
I'm no expert - far from it - but I do OK at it, especially Tourneys. So I'd be happy to arrange a set of evening "meet-ups" at different locations (Casinos) around the Country if there was any interest or demand.
I'd prefer it it were 8-9-T-J DS, but it's OK.
I have a weakness for hands with 10's in them, as the 10 is (or are, if you have two of them, even better) a great blocker card, needed to fill ANY high straight. Straights & flushes are MUCH more prevelant in Omaha than in Texas. In 4 Card Omaha, one pair is almost the equivelant of "A high" in Texas.
By the way, it will be POT LIMIT Omaha.
I can't wait to see how the site reacts to PLO and re-buy tournies in general when they arrive.
All the people that play ace rag on here will have fun, but go broke that much quicker or drive us completely insane as they reload for the 10th time!