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50NL. You've flopped a straight - do you call villain's enormous all in?

Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Was a mastercash table, playing pretty deep. Oppo seems okish, nothing special by any means but wasn't losing. Check/calls with Ace high on flop the few I saw, rarely if ever folded to a cbet. Notes on him from a while ago that he can't fold anything, however don't think I've played him for ages until last couple of nights when he's played as said here.

Don't think I saw him donk bet once and hadn't gone all in like this once either until now. Has he got QK? Are you calling?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
KCL31 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £29.49
CrazyBen23 Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £99.50
 Your hole cards
  • 8
  • Q
   
WATERTAXI Call  £0.50 £1.25 £190.31
gerrard9 Fold     
Die_hard Raise  £2.50 £3.75 £201.27
SJspanky1 Fold     
KCL31 Fold     
CrazyBen23 Fold     
WATERTAXI Call  £2.00 £5.75 £188.31
Flop
  
  • J
  • 10
  • 9
   
WATERTAXI Bet  £5.75 £11.50 £182.56
Die_hard Raise  £13.00 £24.50 £188.27
WATERTAXI All-in  £182.56 £207.06 £0.00
Die_hard
Should probably have reraised his flop bet more but that's besides the point here now lol.
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  • nmipeisnmipeis Member Posts: 43
    edited March 2012
    call
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited March 2012

    our hand cant improve (barring runner runner flush), his probably can (say he has 10J, or a set........... AKd also possible....

    But folding the 2nd nuts? even with a massive overbet? No way. I snap this, and sigh when he turns over kq lol.

    too many hands you are beating to fold imo, just gotta dodge a full house imo.

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  • murray69murray69 Member Posts: 436
    edited March 2012
    Here's a hand from a couple of days ago in a 25k sat, against the same guy, he was playing any 2, i wouldnt be suprised if he had 4 8 offsuit on that board lol

    murray69 Small blind  75.00 75.00 1832.50 bungle72 Big blind  150.00 225.00 1345.00  Your hole cards A 6    andyjwat Fold     WATERTAXI Raise  450.00 675.00 1625.00 slamdunky Fold     murray69 All-in  1832.50 2507.50 0.00 bungle72 Fold     WATERTAXI Call  1457.50 3965.00 167.50 murray69 Show A 6    WATERTAXI Show 2 10    Flop  Q 8 9    Turn  K    River  J    WATERTAXI Win Straight to the King 3965.00  4132.50
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited March 2012
    He just open limp/calls pre OOP so I'd think KQ is unlikely unless of course he limp/calls 100% of his range lol

    It's still tough though calling a 330bb shove but with pre flop play you gotta call imo.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited March 2012
    you have played this villain before, yes?

    snap call.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited March 2012
    I snap call against this player. If he's got KQ then GL to him.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited March 2012
    call
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited March 2012
    snap dat - & dodge a bunch - probs
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  • SJspanky1SJspanky1 Member Posts: 620
    edited March 2012
    I was there so not going to ruin the climax to the hand, I'll leave that to Die_Hard.

    Here's a hand I just played against same villain though. Think a lot of you have seen this fella play before based on the snap call comments....
    scotty77 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £48.50
    jackl Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £48.98
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • A
    		     
    WATERTAXI Raise   £2.00 £2.75 £54.71
    Jibbz Fold        
    palavo_oko Call   £2.00 £4.75 £43.62
    SJspanky1 Call   £2.00 £6.75 £66.72
    scotty77 Fold        
    jackl Fold        
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 3
    • 8
    		     
    WATERTAXI Bet   £5.06 £11.81 £49.65
    palavo_oko Fold        
    SJspanky1 Call   £5.06 £16.87 £61.66
    Turn
       
    • K
    		     
    WATERTAXI Bet   £12.65 £29.52 £37.00
    SJspanky1 Call   £12.65 £42.17 £49.01
    River
       
    • 10
    		     
    WATERTAXI All-in   £37.00 £79.17 £0.00
    SJspanky1 Call   £37.00 £116.17 £12.01
    WATERTAXI Show
    • 6
    • 3
    		     
    SJspanky1 Show
    • J
    • A
    		     
    SJspanky1 Win Pair of Aces £114.37   £126.38
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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited March 2012
    fwiw I don't think other people should be posting hands from the villain.

    I take it this thread is only in existence because you lost the hand..? If you ever fold then it's time to give up the game.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited March 2012
    In Response to 50NL. You've flopped a straight - do you call villain's enormous all in?:
    Was a mastercash table, playing pretty deep. Oppo seems okish, nothing special by any means but wasn't losing. Check/calls with Ace high on flop the few I saw, rarely if ever folded to a cbet. Notes on him from a while ago that he can't fold anything, however don't think I've played him for ages until last couple of nights when he's played as said here. Don't think I saw him donk bet once and hadn't gone all in like this once either until now. Has he got QK? Are you calling? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance KCL31 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £29.49 CrazyBen23 Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £99.50   Your hole cards 8 Q       WATERTAXI Call   £0.50 £1.25 £190.31 gerrard9 Fold         Die_hard Raise   £2.50 £3.75 £201.27 SJspanky1 Fold         KCL31 Fold         CrazyBen23 Fold         WATERTAXI Call   £2.00 £5.75 £188.31 Flop     J 10 9       WATERTAXI Bet   £5.75 £11.50 £182.56 Die_hard Raise   £13.00 £24.50 £188.27 WATERTAXI All-in   £182.56 £207.06 £0.00 Die_hard Should probably have reraised his flop bet more but that's besides the point here now lol.
    Posted by Die_hard



    This is a very tough and tricky spot to fully wrap your head around. It is one of those very unlikely situations whereby you have did a raise wid dem sooots cards. and likes. the cards have like somehow matcheded the boarded really close and you're all like zomg I did a run and they're all like zomg how the **** did he do a run. 

    What i'm trying to say is that given the decision isn't instantly on you you should probably stand yourself up from your chair spread your arms in the air and run around the room yelping AYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY RUN RUN RUN AHAHAHA YUAYAYAYAY RUN AHAHAHAHAH IN YOUR EYE MET I DID A RUN AHAHAHAHAHAH

    make sure though that you get back to the computer in time to call and not time out or you will have some of dem eggies on your faces.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited March 2012
    ahhhhhhhhhhh so it is you..........................
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited March 2012
    You know, we get alot of these "Can I get away from this cooler?" type posts on the clinic. The answer's always "No, that's what we mean by a "cooler"". You can't get hung up on spots like this (If he does have the KQ) because folding them is going to be -ev in the long-run. You might be behind sometimes but don't worry about it; If you do anything other than go broke, you've played it badly...

    ...although you could say you didn't need to be involved in the first place, ain't nowt wrong with raising in position.
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  • jh16jh16 Member Posts: 76
    edited April 2012
    going a little by what ppl are saying, im guessing it could be anything but im thinking its Q10/K10 of diamonds!!

    did you call btw/what did he end up with?!
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  • Die_hardDie_hard Member Posts: 338
    edited April 2012
    Cheers all. 

    Well I didnt instacall lol as like I said he hadn't done that once so really surprised me. 

    Called though, he had QKo lol. Result irrelavent really but I didn't improve. 

    Just a tad annoying as its 8x buyins on a normal table. Just a cooler though I suppose as said, else there wouldn't be a thread lol. 
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    KCL31 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £29.49
    CrazyBen23 Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £99.50
     Your hole cards
    • 8
    • Q
    		   
    WATERTAXI Call  £0.50 £1.25 £190.31
    gerrard9 Fold     
    Die_hard Raise  £2.50 £3.75 £201.27
    SJspanky1 Fold     
    KCL31 Fold     
    CrazyBen23 Fold     
    WATERTAXI Call  £2.00 £5.75 £188.31
    Flop
      
    • J
    • 10
    • 9
    		   
    WATERTAXI Bet  £5.75 £11.50 £182.56
    Die_hard Raise  £13.00 £24.50 £188.27
    WATERTAXI All-in  £182.56 £207.06 £0.00
    Die_hard Call  £175.31 £382.37 £12.96
    WATERTAXI Show
    • K
    • Q
    		   
    Die_hard Show
    • 8
    • Q
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 6
    		   
    River
      
    • 2
    		   
    WATERTAXI Win Straight to the King £380.57  £380.57
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2012
    gross

    ul
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  • DrRunGoodDrRunGood Member Posts: 436
    edited April 2012
    got to call if he has kq then so be it but it is unlikely but depends long you played with him to know if he going to do this with a big range my experiance with player is he will pay your bills ;)
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited April 2012
    Love the way Mr WATERTAXI's game was disected on this thread then in the hand in question he plays it so well.
    He hits the nuts and doesn't wait for the c-bet he just whacks in a pot size bet, absolute class.
    VUL by the way you should def call here i would of put him on a set or a flush draw like KT OR AT tbh
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