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Earlyish hand in £3 DYM...

PystermanPysterman Member Posts: 187
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
PNM Small blind  25.00 25.00 1820.00
Pysterman Big blind  50.00 75.00 1850.00
 Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
   
ca5eyking Raise  150.00 225.00 4500.00
onetric529 Fold     
avonmum Fold     
PNM Raise  525.00 750.00 1295.00
Pysterman
PNM's reraise, given ca5ey's stack, says to me... "I have a massive hand and I'm willing to go all-in"

Of course, PNM's idea of a 'massive hand' might be AQ or JJ or worse, but with ca5ey and his huge stack to act behind me, should I shove or wait for a better spot?

Comments

  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited April 2012
    By better spot we mean a spot with less resistance, yes?  It being a dym.

    As you rightly say, it comes down to what range we believe oppo values as strength.

    I dont think I fold here tbh, but will be interested to see what the DYNmasters say :)

    Cant really bring the largestack into decision making process in 3bet pot though IMO
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2012
    meh, I shove
  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited April 2012
    If it's readless i would fold here as the player is basically pot commiting himself against the one player who can lose to him comfortably meaning i would put him on AK minimum but likely AA or KK. If you have reads on his range and you think he could so this with 4 other hands than stated above i.e QQ JJ TT and any other then its a call as your winning majority of the time.
    I think it's a hard fold but correct one in DYM
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited April 2012
    I can fold this :)
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited April 2012

    Def fold with casey to act.  Hope they get jiggy and theres one less to worry about?

  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    With KK I stick it in and hope villain doesn't have aces. With QQ, it depends on how you perceive your opponents, but it's a sigh fold most of the time IMO.

    Even if AQ is in villain's 3-bet range and would call a shove, it's probably at the very bottom of villain's 3-bet range in a DYM especially given that the original raise came from UTG. With 2 queens in our hand, the chances of him having AQ are significantly reduced - AK is much more likely than AQ. I think if we're getting all our money in here, we're very rarely getting 2 folds, and we're just gambling that the 3-bettor has JJ and can't find the fold button. Failing that, we're racing or miles behind, both of which are never a good thing in a DYM.

    A better spot will come along sooner rather than later. Throw it away and kick the cat.
  • PystermanPysterman Member Posts: 187
    edited April 2012

    I do pretty well in DYMs (though currently on a run of four 4ths in a row - ugh) so I'm glad that most of you agree I did the right thing here. Not to be results-orientated, but with the A showing up on the turn here I would probably have been out if I had shoved...

    Pysterman Fold     
    ca5eyking Call  400.00 1150.00 4100.00
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 3
    • 6
       
    PNM Check     
    ca5eyking Check     
    Turn
      
    • A
       
    PNM Bet  400.00 1550.00 895.00
    ca5eyking Fold
    As was mentioned above, I put PNM on at least AK and didn't feel the need to flip (or worse) for my life at this stage.

    However, as I alluded to above  - I came 4th anyway.
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    its close, but i think im all in


  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    3bet from SB is often not a bluff, fold for me. 
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