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dont understand the push

sara36dd08sara36dd08 Member Posts: 826
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic

AmountPotBalancepaul10Small blind 200.00200.0011727.50Lil_meBig blind 400.00600.006135.00 Your hole cardsKK   JOHNNY84Call 400.001000.0012645.00sara36dd08Raise 1600.002600.009970.00jonjo75Fold    denu1Fold    paul10Fold    Lil_meFold    JOHNNY84Call 1200.003800.0011445.00Flop  Q87   JOHNNY84All-in 11445.0015245.000.00sara36dd08All-in 9970.0025215.000.00JOHNNY84Unmatched bet 1475.0023740.001475.00JOHNNY84Show48   sara36dd08ShowKK   Turn  2   River  4   JOHNNY84WinTwo Pairs, 8s and 4s23740.00 2hi was wondering if anyone can see why he pushed ther its the £110 bounty hunter he has second pair no kicker

i raised pre he called i called with kings after flop

was it a bad call

could i have done anything ealse

thanks
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited April 2012
    Defo fold pre or even a snap fold on flop, KK is never gonna hold save the pennies wait for aces and them to be busted instead :P 
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    maybe he thought the q was a heart and he had flush draw as well :-)
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    And the point of this is? :S
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited April 2012
    Assume he just doesnt think you can call + when you do he has equity.

    But it is major spew UL
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  • sara36dd08sara36dd08 Member Posts: 826
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: dont understand the push:
    And the point of this is? :S
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    no point just checking there was no way off getting off the hand
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    Why would you want to get off it? lol

    Honestly these sort of posts from supposed 'really good' MTT players make me cringe so much.
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: dont understand the push:
    Why would you want to get off it? lol Honestly these sort of posts from supposed 'really good' MTT players make me cringe so much.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Wow don't hold back!

    In regards to post he prob misread the queen for another heart VUL
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  • sara36dd08sara36dd08 Member Posts: 826
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: dont understand the push:
    Why would you want to get off it? lol Honestly these sort of posts from supposed 'really good' MTT players make me cringe so much.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    i hardley ever post on here

    just wanted any advice that was going

    sorry for troubling you
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited April 2012
    Its a grim hand sara in a T where you'd expect better and you are fully entitled to put it up to get feedback.

    Dont think dudeskin meant to be such a goit :)

    Ignore him :p
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited April 2012
    Sara, what do YOU think you could or should have done differently in this hand?

    What other options do you have, and what are the pros and cons of them?
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    I didn't mean to be rude it's just I don't understand what else you would want here, the guy shoves 25bbs into you on flop with BP and gets lucky.

    And I say again you're a VERY big winning player so surely you see this result everyday and it just gets boring and standard?
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  • sara36dd08sara36dd08 Member Posts: 826
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: dont understand the push:
    Sara, what do YOU think you could or should have done differently in this hand? What other options do you have, and what are the pros and cons of them?
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    dohhhhh

    maybe he could have hit a set

    should i have folded?

    pro for him was a bounty

    con for me the call was for my tourny

    yes it looks like a bad beat whinge  ias dudeskin sayes i see this alot everyday

    i think the call was right

    just wanted other opinion

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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2012
    2 pair > 1 pair! he knows the hand rankings chart imo
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2012
    hand made me chuckle

    just an obvious bluff or a donk
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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited April 2012
    tbf I have no problem with what Dudeskin has said.

    And yes this is the thought process of 80% of winning Sky mtt players...
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  • hurst05hurst05 Member Posts: 1,567
    edited April 2012
    think we should be raising 5 or 6 x the blind preflop. 4 just isn't big enough after 1 limper. other than that its fine x
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    ye you should defo lose value with your kk and make them fold everything.. make it a 10x pre

    and on the flop fold when your ahead cos hes defo gonna suck out on the river

    :))
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  • Donut64Donut64 Member Posts: 2,666
    edited April 2012
    In his mind he had you on AK or AJ or even a pocket pair below a Queen and decided to push believing you would not call! Just a gamblers bluff.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2012
    raise smaller pre

    snapcall flop you crush his range

    Surprised you posted this if you are an experienced player. You cant avoid variance in poker, this is a really awesome spot to get your chips in

    As for understanding villain thought process, somethin like this:

    Pre:ooh I have two sooted cards call. Sara raised me,my hand is still purty I calls

    Postflop: Yay a pair, but overcards might come and I wont know what to do, so shove weeeee and make sara fold worse hands
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: dont understand the push:
    think we should be raising 5 or 6 x the blind preflop. 4 just isn't big enough after 1 limper. other than that its fine x
    Posted by hurst05
    I can tell your a cash fish, with one limper gotta 7x at the very least. 5x raises are reserved for the final table.
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