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50nl...facing donk river bet

huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Obviously villain is a very very good player so left the name in because hopefully they dont mind but also think it is important to this decision.

we have been sat together across 4-5 tables for about 5-10 minutes and he has 3 bet me a lot.  we have played 2 hands of note.  the first hand i open from middle position with JJ and he 3bets from the bb.  i flat the 3 bet and flop is AJ5.  he fires all three barrels and i call down in position (he shoves river) and he shows 66 repping a flush on the river.  the second hand i have 10 10 and open in middle position, he 3bets from the bb.  he cbets an 8 high flop and i flat again.  turn is a 10 and he checks to me.  i bet turn and shove river and he calls both showing A8 suited.

then this hand happens. 

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancenustrdinSit out    CoxyLboroSmall blind £0.25£0.25£65.70britrockBig blind £0.50£0.75£68.48 Your hole cardsKK   huuuuumeRaise £1.50£2.25£71.16hurst05Fold    50_50callFold    CoxyLboroCall £1.25£3.50£64.45britrockCall £1.00£4.50£67.48Flop  397   CoxyLboroCheck    britrockCheck    huuuuumeBet £3.00£7.50£68.16CoxyLboroCall £3.00£10.50£61.45britrockFold    Turn  2   CoxyLboroCheck    huuuuumeBet £6.00£16.50£62.16CoxyLboroCall £6.00£22.50£55.45River  10   CoxyLboroBet £17.00£39.50£38.45
what do you do here?

Comments

  • thebil123thebil123 Member Posts: 99
    edited April 2012
    No 3bet pre this time then, Coxy super aggro loose n tilty lol, id say he has u beat this time n value bets, id still call.
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited April 2012
    think this is usally a fold but given the last few hands I might be tempted to flick in the call.

    like coxy doesn't always have flushes here but he usually has hands that beat us.

    having looked at it again I don't really like the size of your turn bet.
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2012
    call, probs pay him off or not 50/50

    don't think there's any value in raising this spot often enough
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    im calling this off esp with previous. would this be too big a donk bet to be a blocker?
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited April 2012
    yh this is never ever a blocker

  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    thanks for that sir, just working through hands . i need help at nl50 :-(
  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited April 2012
    sorry I mean I don't think coxy is someone who would do that as a blocker.  like its either for value or a bluff

    he may turn up with something like A9s or J9s and be turning his hand into a bluff but I don't see why he would block bet v a reg.


  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2012
    bet 4 on flop, bet 8-9 on the turn fold this river.


    if you think that coxy always leads draw completing rivers then call with some portion of the top part of yoru range. The size of your calling range should be determined by how often you think he is doing this as a bluff vs you.
  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited April 2012
    Flush>>>Coxys hand>>>>your hand
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: 50nl...facing donk river bet:
    Flush />>>Coxys hand>>>>your hand
    Posted by offshoot
    I concur.

    I think the question is: Does CoxyLBoro really float out of position on the flop, float out of position on the turn, then lead out to rep the flush on the river? I don't think he does. I actually don't think that he keeps check-calling on a flush draw either. It looks to me that he's trying to rep that line and hoping you'll put him on either the nuts or a bluff. i.e. He's polarising his range. He probably has you squarely on an overpair and wants more value than he might get by check-calling or check-raising.

    If I was to stick my neck out I'd say something like: "If he doesn't have a set here, I'll eat my own arm!"... but I don't stick my neck out very often, so I'm not saying that.
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited April 2012
    I'm in danger of looking a pillock there, as it could so easily turn out to be more straightforward than that... but I think it makes alot of sense so I decided to say so.

    Cue derision from my peers.
  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited April 2012
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    nustrdin Sit out     
    CoxyLboro Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £65.70
    britrock Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £68.48
     Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
       
    huuuuume Raise  £1.50 £2.25 £71.16
    hurst05 Fold     
    50_50call Fold     
    CoxyLboro Call  £1.25 £3.50 £64.45
    britrock Call  £1.00 £4.50 £67.48
    Flop
      
    • 3
    • 9
    • 7
       
    CoxyLboro Check     
    britrock Check     
    huuuuume Bet  £3.00 £7.50 £68.16
    CoxyLboro Call  £3.00 £10.50 £61.45
    britrock Fold     
    Turn
      
    • 2
       
    CoxyLboro Check     
    huuuuume Bet  £6.00 £16.50 £62.16
    CoxyLboro Call  £6.00 £22.50 £55.45
    River
      
    • 10
       
    CoxyLboro Bet  £17.00 £39.50 £38.45
    huuuuume Fold     
    CoxyLboro Muck     
    CoxyLboro Win  £21.37  £59.82
    CoxyLboro Return  £17.00 £1.13 £76.82
    i dont think there are enough hands that im beating that he does this with
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2012
    I would call with history and cos his line confuses me, but fold may well be best
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