Sky roller - call or fold

rancid

No concrete reads, bit of a blind spot - if anything oppo like's the bet button post flop

opinions from start to finish

sat'd into this, felt surprisingly very comfortable for a £100 buy in MTT
I check river to induce bluff, the bet is so big it makes me re consider as I have no idea
what oppo overbets with in these spots

call or fold / how about my pre and post play ?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rancid	Small blind		40.00	40.00	9323.75
monaghan01	Big blind		80.00	120.00	2765.00
	Your hole cards	J A
macapaca	Fold
hoss777	Fold
wywys	Call		80.00	200.00	8747.50
Aaaces3	Fold
rancid	Raise		200.00	400.00	9123.75
monaghan01	Fold
wywys	Call		160.00	560.00	8587.50
Flop
		5 10 A
rancid	Check
wywys	Check
Turn
		6
rancid	Bet		400.00	960.00	8723.75
wywys	Call		400.00	1360.00	8187.50
River
		8
rancid	Check
wywys	Bet		2640.00	4000.00	5547.50
rancid

Mohican

Busted flush draw? Bet flop,turn and river imo,charge 'em to miss draw. I  think a set is going to protect against flush draw and is likely to raise flop and it's a strange line to take if they've flopped a flush. Call and sigh as they turn over KQ hearts!!!

BorinLoner

Why no c-bet on the flop, since you had the betting lead? You couldn't count on him to bet it for you, after all, your check looks terrifyingly strong on that board.

It is a pretty strange overbet on the river. That usually means a big hand looking for value. I wouldn't have any problem with you folding here. I'm not saying I think he definitely has you beat but there aren't even that many Aces that you're beating.

AMYBR

Any reason at all why we arent leading flop?

rancid

do we equally check our weak and strong hands -
do we equally c-bet our weak and strong hands -

do I check because oppo is bet happy
or do I check because I am not happy about my hand


mmmm poker

At some point I will post results but very intresting responses so far

Hand History #501927123

Batkin88

I think checking flop is ok if your planning to get to the river cheap (which he cleaarly isnt allowing) Prob reads dependent this hand as i would put him on a hand like KQ KJ KT with king of hearts. Equally with the limp pre he could of hit a set on the turn or river making him make this ridiculous bet as he missed value when you didnt bet flop. I think your losing majority of the time here to make this a fold but really its reads dependent and i am guessing he has been overly aggro from the start meaning your prob calling here

Dudeskin8

Bet flop.

Turn fine.

River weird, you've underepped your hand with flop check but still that looks like value to me with most likely more than 1 pair, so fold for me. 

grantorino

In Response to Re: Sky roller - call or fold:

do we equally check our weak and strong hands - do we equally c-bet our weak and strong hands
No, just dont check oop as pfr unless you are giving up or have super reads
- do I check because oppo is bet happy or do I check because I am not happy about my hand
idk, but you should know. I would be pretty happy with my hand on every street

mmmm poker At some point I will post results but very intresting responses so far Hand History #501927123
Posted by rancid

bet flop for value

turn fine

river I dont mind checking to induce, but when he fires this big I fold readless

AMYBR

this

DrSharp

Yep, i bet flop for value, also turn, may check call river but betsizing is very weird but overbetting the river could quite easily be the nuts, enough for me to fold, especially if we have bet flop and turn and he still does it.

As played i probably fold even though your hand is sooo underepped.

rancid

Result

Don't think I can fold to an overbet river when I check, bet - check
Even though most say fold, does that make me correct long term or am I donating chips calling in these spots
as I'll be shown better more often

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
rancid	Small blind		40.00	40.00	9323.75
monaghan01	Big blind		80.00	120.00	2765.00
	Your hole cards	J A
macapaca	Fold
hoss777	Fold
wywys	Call		80.00	200.00	8747.50
Aaaces3	Fold
rancid	Raise		200.00	400.00	9123.75
monaghan01	Fold
wywys	Call		160.00	560.00	8587.50
Flop
		5 10 A
rancid	Check
wywys	Check
Turn
		6
rancid	Bet		400.00	960.00	8723.75
wywys	Call		400.00	1360.00	8187.50
River
		8
rancid	Check
wywys	Bet		2640.00	4000.00	5547.50
rancid	Call		2640.00	6640.00	6083.75
wywys	Show	8 Q
rancid	Show	J A
rancid	Win	Pair of Aces	6640.00		12723.75

BorinLoner

People are doing this in the roller? The £110 roller? Maybe I'll put my bankroll on Sky after all... lol

It's such a weird overbet. Experience tells me that most of the time this means the nuts or near-nuts. I don't think you'll be ahead that often in the long-run but maybe I'll change my mind if people post more spots like this. 

Dudeskin8

Still bad longterm imo.