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Check call, check fold or bet fold

KKripplerKKrippler Member Posts: 321
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Oppo unknown, how did i play the hand and should I fold to reraise. 


Your hole cardsQQ   MICKSFISHFold    xRaise £0.60£1.05£32.66MATT8Fold    KCL31Fold    KKripplerRaise £1.80£2.85£29.13Neil29Call £1.65£4.50£27.10xCall £1.35£5.85£31.31Flop  449   KKripplerBet £2.70£8.55£26.43Neil29Call £2.70£11.25£24.40xCall £2.70£13.95£28.61Turn  A   KKripplerCheck    Neil29Check    xCheck    River  2   KKripplerBet £4.00£17.95£22.43Neil29Fold    xRaise £14.98£32.93£13.63KKripplerCall £10.98£43.91£11.45
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  • KKripplerKKrippler Member Posts: 321
    edited April 2012
    And how bad is my bet sizing?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2012
    if you bet really small to induce a bluff on the river then it's fine.

    I would cbet bigger, bet/f the turn and bet bigger on the river.
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  • HYPETINGHYPETING Member Posts: 253
    edited April 2012
    I probably check call river.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    Interesting hand - Made a bit of a mess of it IMO, will post thoughts when I wake up later :P
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    seems as though you got caught between 2 lines here, you got to think your ahead after flop so bet bigger for value, turn fine and i would check call river.
    would like to ask beaneh "why bet river more?" 
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    Neil has a four imo

    I dont understand why we would bet the turn mr beane sir, cos they are not folding an ace or a four, what are we getting value from? Are you betting for info... cough... lol, ok diamond draws and mid pp's can come along if they are stoopid.

    also what would your turn bet size be into two opponants in this spot? guess about £7?






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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    greg what hand is neil calling a 3x with which includes a 4?
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Check call, check fold or bet fold:
    greg what hand is neil calling a 3x with which includes a 4?
    Posted by pod1
    44

    45s

    A4s

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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    im sure he will love you saying 45!! 44 i can take but then checking the turn doesnt :-)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Check call, check fold or bet fold:
    if you bet really small to induce a bluff on the river then it's fine. I would cbet bigger, bet/f the turn and bet bigger on the river.
    Posted by beaneh
    + 1
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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited April 2012
    Looks like 99 to me 
    :)
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  • WHOAMI196WHOAMI196 Member Posts: 1,170
    edited April 2012
    Neil cold calling (which is pocket pair heavy) has allowed X to potentially come in with a wide range(if he opens wide from utg that is?)so his range is not necessarily Ace heavy. I would c-bet flop bigger from SB, turn as played i would bet/fold ~7, its a great card to bluff with 88,66 KQs etc , and you can get value from flush draws or a stubborn JJ, 1010 etc with your QQ i think.

    Checking turn is not bad, you can get thin value from villains weak holdings by v-betting river, for me X rarely has an A since there's not much value in re-raising the way he did, so its pretty polarised to 4x, 22, or missed flush draw/air. What were you trying to achieve with the small lead on the river m8?
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  • thebil123thebil123 Member Posts: 99
    edited April 2012

    Your bet on river too small, better to check call actually.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Check call, check fold or bet fold:
    Neil has a four imo I dont understand why we would bet the turn mr beane sir, cos they are not folding an ace or a four, what are we getting value from? Are you betting for info... cough... lol, ok diamond draws and mid pp's can come along if they are stoopid. also what would your turn bet size be into two opponants in this spot? guess about £7?
    Posted by GREGHOGG

    bet bigger on flop so pot is ~16 on turn if 3way. then bet 12 ish on the Ace and fold to a raise, be very wary if called. they can still call with worse mid pairs and fd's etc.
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  • KKripplerKKrippler Member Posts: 321
    edited April 2012
    Interesting analysis.

    Oppo had 4,4 for quads.
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Check call, check fold or bet fold:
    Interesting analysis. Oppo had 4,4 for quads.
    Posted by KKrippler
    Told ya he had a 4 poddy!

    see i knows my pokerz :)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2012
    bet turn, I know its a bit meh but you would barrell air here a lot

    river as played bet but make it bigger and fold to a raise. calling is fine if you bet small to induce
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited April 2012
    lol, lucky hoggers!!

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