Playing satellites when already qualified....

MAXALLY

This is just a discussion about the above. I do kind of understand players playing multiple sats if they are of 'value' to do so.

What I can not understand is players, who have already qualified for the next sat/tournament AND are higher bankrolled, playing again in usually the micro sats.

I am mainly talking about the Primo and SPT sats.

Is it just for the value or is it an ego thing where you think you have an edge over the smaller BR players? Some of the micro players can not afford to buy in direct to these events, so sats are the only option, unlike the higher BR players.

Like I stated earlier, I do understand to an extent but still think it is a grey area.

Sensible thoughts and discussions below please.

MAXALLY

This is what I mean.

Player 18887.504Entry to £10k Primo SemiPlayer 201Entry to £10k Primo SemiPlayer 302Entry to £10k Primo Semi + As you have already registered/qualified for this event you have been awarded the cash equivalent of £12, which is equal to the Buy-in and Fee.Player 403Entry to £10k Primo SemiPlayer 505£4.80

Red_King

Happens every week, especially for Primo,
check out the usual "rolled" suspects already in the semi,
who are also playing 2 or 3 micro-sats as well.

It's called

Sats-4-Cash

DOHHHHHHH

I think it's more a reflection of the lack of decent MTTs available throughout the day, people resort to grinding sats!

The 1/2 decent daytime mtt's are now 3/4 hour affairs, the structures are very slow. This means the prize at the end doesn't justify the time it takes to win it. 

Also the sit n gos available hardly ever run, due an un-balanced blind & payout structure on the scarys which are pretty much winner takes all. 

The sats are seen as like a speedier/better balanced version of skys sngs. They're also an opportunity to win 5x your stake, for the time it takes to play a dym. So it's like a middle ground between the scarys and dyms. 

The prizes in the micro feeder sats are small though, can't understand why someone well over-rolled would bother with them.......... ? 

I don't think ego would come in to it though? Maybe I'm wrong ......

TommyD

Tricky debate.

On one side of it, it feels somewhat against the spirit of a satellite for people to qualify on multiple occasions and it limits the opportunities for smaller rolled players to get into these events.

On the other side of it some people like to reg for the event and then play a satellite to gain their entry fee either because they don't want to forget to register or that they are not sure they will be able to play the event and want to keep the entry fee if they deregister.  Also it can be argues that by playing these events it generates more seats and as such gives more opportunities for people of all bankrolls to win a seat, purely because more are available.

I'm not sure what side of the fence I am on this to be truthful Maxy.  The only time I have been involved in doing this was on the old Sunday roller one seat sats where I used to register for all of the Sunday ones in one go, much of the time I was playing two or three others when I managed to bink the seat so I make no apology for still playing hard and trying to secure the money in the others, I know I managed this on a couple of occasions.  I can't recall doing this for either the Primo or a SPT.

The easiest way to fix this would be a tournament token system for sats, but this should be understandably well down on the priority list for site upgrades IMO.

MAXALLY

In Response to Re: Playing satellites when already qualified....:

I think it's more a reflection of the lack of decent MTTs available throughout the day, people resort to grinding sats! The 1/2 decent daytime mtt's are now 3/4 hour affairs, the structures are very slow. This means the prize at the end doesn't justify the time it takes to win it.  Also the sit n gos available hardly ever run, due an un-balanced blind & payout structure on the scarys which are pretty much winner takes all.  The sats are seen as like a speedier/better balanced version of skys sngs. They're also an opportunity to win 5x your stake, for the time it takes to play a dym. So it's like a middle ground between the scarys and dyms.  The prizes in the micro feeder sats are small though, can't understand why someone well over-rolled would bother with them.......... ?  I don't think ego would come in to it though? Maybe I'm wrong ......
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Cheers JJ. That bit makes a valid point, TY.

MAXALLY

In Response to Re: Playing satellites when already qualified....:

Tricky debate. On one side of it, it feels somewhat against the spirit of a satellite for people to qualify on multiple occasions and it limits the opportunities for smaller rolled players to get into these events. On the other side of it some people like to reg for the event and then play a satellite to gain their entry fee either because they don't want to forget to register or that they are not sure they will be able to play the event and want to keep the entry fee if they deregister.  Also it can be argues (argued!) that by playing these events it generates more seats and as such gives more opportunities for people of all bankrolls to win a seat, purely because more are available. I'm not sure what side of the fence I am on this to be truthful Maxy.  The only time I have been involved in doing this was on the old Sunday roller one seat sats where I used to register for all of the Sunday ones in one go, much of the time I was playing two or three others when I managed to bink the seat so I make no apology for still playing hard and trying to secure the money in the others, I know I managed this on a couple of occasions.  I can't recall doing this for either the Primo or a SPT. The easiest way to fix this would be a tournament token system for sats, but this should be understandably well down on the priority list for site upgrades IMO.
Posted by TommyD

Another good point, TY Tommy.

GREGHOGG

I have done this, and i am not ashamed

I now prereg for the event i am trying to qualify for (if i can afford it lol) so, if i qualify, i can chose if i want to bank the money by de-regging or if i want to play the comp.

The_Don90

I know of 2 Irish pro's who make their living off of UKIPT sats, he wins "tourny" dollars, uses that to enter high value tournys, and even a min cash suddenly is massive profit.

I believe theres a Russian that also does that, so much so they dnt even play the actual event for their first seat.


IMO if you can win them consistent, then why not.

DAVEYZZ

sky could always introduce games similar to another site i play on.

1 in 4 get at least 4 times their money and the winner gets 25% of prize pool....so basically a sat for cash instead of seats........dave