Downswinging like a monkey with one arm!

Batkin88

Hi all i need some advice as slowly losing the will here, i am currently experiencing a horrible downswing in holdem it crushing my poker soul.
I have gone over hundreds of hands in MTT's and i am constantly getting it in ahead but just never coming out on top. The last 27 MTT exits i got it in behind 3 times and 2 times with the same hand and got done by a flush lol. Both AK suited in fairness.
I ran deep in a 1million GTD tonight and nearing the money bubble i got it in with JJ v 55 pre only for the 5 to come on the turn. I don't think sites are rigged and i dont believe moaning about it is beneficial just would like some help getting through this.
To give an insight into this across my whole Poker bankroll i have 3 k for holdem tournaments and cash i have built this up over the last few months grinding cash and getting a few cashes in tournaments it has been halved in less than 2 weeks. I find myself increasinly annoyed with other peoples play when i use to be able to just walk away from it now i want to tell them about how terrible it was. I got called down by 4th pair earlier on in the primo and then looked in the chatbox and see two players discussing my play and how i barrel bluffs constantly.
Has anyone had this and how can i get out of this as i know deep down i am making less mistakes than a few months ago when i was building this bankroll?

pomfrittes

  Hi Batkin, i know exactly how you are feeling as i am going through similar myself at the moment.

  If i go in ahead oppo hits, go in behind stay behind.

  All i can suggest is keep doing what your doing and the tide will turn, well hopefully.

  GL.

scotty77

First of all just ignore what people say in chat...well ignore the bad stuff anyway.  Full of clowns talking nonsense.

Secondly even tho you are getting it in ahead and ending up behind it really is just variance.  It is absolutely massive in MTTs and can not be overstated.

My advice is to keep grinding cash during these MTT downswing.  Try and use the profits to pay for your MTT buy ins.

If your BR is taking a hit then there is no shame at all in moving down/trying the cheaper sats etc to get you thru it.

A lot of people have this big problem about moving down....once they hit a certain level/tournie BI they feel that they DESERVE to be there which is just utterly ridiculous.  Don't be one of them and grind it back.  You've done it before and with some hard work you can do it again.

GL

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm!:

First of all just ignore what people say in chat...well ignore the bad stuff anyway.  Full of clowns talking nonsense. Secondly even tho you are getting it in ahead and ending up behind it really is just variance.  It is absolutely massive in MTTs and can not be overstated. My advice is to keep grinding cash during these MTT downswing.  Try and use the profits to pay for your MTT buy ins. If your BR is taking a hit then there is no shame at all in moving down/trying the cheaper sats etc to get you thru it. A lot of people have this big problem about moving down....once they hit a certain level/tournie BI they feel that they DESERVE to be there which is just utterly ridiculous.  Don't be one of them and grind it back.  You've done it before and with some hard work you can do it again. GL
Posted by scotty77

Thanks I have already swallowed my pride and moved down the levels
Thank you for taking the time to reply

dogman80

maybe calling off your stack after a 3 bet with 8 9 may explain this??

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm!:

maybe calling off your stack after a 3 bet with 8 9 may explain this??
Posted by dogman80

Why are there question marks at the end of this sentence? Are you asking me a question or yourself?
Cheers for the input i take it I have done this at some point so would be nice if you could post it as i cannot remember it and need something to cheer me up.

SoLack

go back to abc until its over.

BigHawk89

Take a break off poker for a week or two, it does wonders.

devonfish5

hi batkin,
as scotty says,drop a level & grind it back.
sure u can do it.

enjoy the good times....
take it on the chin with bad times.

:-)

devon

dogman80

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm

Yeah you dne this the other day against me in one of the main tournaments.  Im not saying you done anything wrong, you have paid your money so your entitled to play how you want but cannot see it being a profitable play long term thats all.

If your making plays like that maybe thats why  your on a downswing.  No offence intended.

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm! : Why are there question marks at the end of this sentence? Are you asking me a question or yourself? Cheers for the input i take it I have done this at some point so would be nice if you could post it as i cannot remember it and need something to cheer me up.
Posted by Batkin88

rancid

TAG up until your back up <---- like my moto )

If your cash game style is swingy then that's what happens, as for MTT's - then that's just the way it goes isn't it, variance in MTT's is just blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

jonjo75

I think the hardest thing about going on a downswing like this when you seem to be getting it in ahead and losing a lot is not to start playing like you are going to be outdrawn or sicked , have faith that the variance will eventually turn your way and soldier on . Good luck .

FlashFlush

I'm in the same boat. 

I won the main event 2 weeks ago today for £1700 and since then I don't think I've had a single winning session! I'm a regular grinder at 50nl and make a very nice profit (enough to play full time but that's a different story) so to go from that to not being able to have a single winning session in 2 weeks is rediculous. 

I took Friday and Saturday off and just went to the pub with the family to get away from it. What really didn't help though is everyone knows I play poker and they all see themselves as these poker gods (its obvious they are terrible players when they talk) and they run through loads of hands with you! You just need to move away from poker completely for a few days/weeks. Depends on how much you play. If that fails then follow Ryan's (scotty77) advice.

Dudeskin8

I don't see you post that many hands in the clinic but one you played against Rancid recently stuck out where you flat called a 3bet OOP just 100bbs deep w/J7s. Obviously you had a plan as you CRAI with the FD but in general I don't think this would be great play imo and will certainly put you in very tough spots post flop.

Still this was cash so maybe you play different in MTT's but defo worth posting some more cash hands to see if you have any big leaks that are maybe just having an effect now. 

Wacko90

I'm in a simplified position to flush, been playing cash for along while now and have regular winning sessions between nl20 and 50. Probs my last 20 sessions have been losing ones, advice, just drop down levels and enjoy it more

DOHHHHHHH

Are you sure you are a winning player to start with?

You may have been experiencing +ve varience to start with, which is now turning and becoming closer towards neutral.

The downswing/proper run bad might still be ahead of u....

Not having a go at you or anyone else imparticular, it's just a good start will often give people false expectations.

Just make sure you're being honest with yourself, hard to do sometimes tho.

As long as you've got a "go to" game that u know you can beat (cash/dym/husngs/normal STT's) then you'll always be ok. You seem to have that, so maybe put more hours into these lower varience formats and take the pressure off your mtt's and bankroll for abit.

drumahai05

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm!:

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm! : Why are there question marks at the end of this sentence? Are you asking me a question or yourself? Cheers for the input i take it I have done this at some point so would be nice if you could post it as i cannot remember it and need something to cheer me up.
Posted by Batkin88

played against you a few times in mtts. nowt wrong with your game. just keep getting them in good batkin thats all you can do. no good thinking about online variance, think more about stake size and were to use it. oh and patience helps to gl m8.

Batkin88

In Response to Re: Downswinging like a monkey with one arm!:

Are you sure you are a winning player to start with? You may have been experiencing +ve varience to start with, which is now turning and becoming closer towards neutral. The downswing/proper run bad might still be ahead of u.... Not having a go at you or anyone else imparticular, it's just a good start will often give people false expectations. Just make sure you're being honest with yourself, hard to do sometimes tho. As long as you've got a "go to" game that u know you can beat (cash/dym/husngs/normal STT's) then you'll always be ok. You seem to have that, so maybe put more hours into these lower varience formats and take the pressure off your mtt's and bankroll for abit.
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Thanks for the reply i am an earning player i have played for 6 years now in various types of poker and have been earning for the last 4 years not huge but am an earning player. I don't think my game is amazing and know that i have a very different type of play to the general sky poker type of play maybe i need to nit up a bit and try alot less moves in lower stakes games. I dunno really i will post losing hands from tonights games and see what the clinic thinks it would be nice to get your input as playing cash and like your cash play.

Thanks for input

rob12345

take brake works for me every time or just think about the hands u play more like how to loose less in a pot and could i have got more payed this is the way u have to think about mtt gl

RICHORFORD

Good luck Kalie. If nothing else you've coined a nice new phrase: downswinging like a monkey with one arm. Technically I think a one-armed monkey would be 'plummeting' rather than doing any sort of swinging- up or down, but I get the sentiment.

You'll have to invent a new one when you start your upswing!

:-)

Payney1978

Hi Batkin, I know what you are going through, I haven't had an MTT win here for almost a year and have won only 1 race in that time. It seems whenever I'm all in pre I lose no matter what the cards. I know it is super frustrating and is easier said than done but try not to dwell on it.

All you can do is concentrate on making the right decisions. It may sound defeatist but when you sit down in an MTT accept that are not likley to cash and you can separate yourself from the money and play with complete freedom. Think of it as just fun/entertainment.

From a practical point maybe try sateliting into tourneys to minimise your loss and maximise your ROI.

For what its worth, i just saw your QJ hand from Primo being analysed and I don't think you did much wrong. On the flop you had 2 overs and a gutshot. Most players bet smaller these days including the likes of Scotty77 and Julian Thew. I seem to remember James Hartigan's sizing being pretty similar when his hands were being analysed recently.
Just make a mental note of which players not to bluff and make sure you go for value against them.

Good luck.