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On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster

JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
edited April 2012 in Poker Chat
Hi Guys,

Just a quick update, had my second session on Wednesday..  The Blog will be put up this weekend.  But thought I'd post up this taster.

We disscused a great many things, but one thing I was made aware of was the amount of missed opportunities.  Mainly through not being focused enough on what was happening at the tables. 

Since Wednesday night I have played 4 DYM's  1 x £11 2 x £5.50 and 1 x £2.25.  I have managed to cash in all 4 of them.

Nothing to get excited about there, I hear you say.  True, True.  However when you consider I managed this without the DISTRACTION of being able to see my cards. It becomes a little more interesting.  Yup covered the screen over my cards with a postit.

Anyway more of this in my Blog.

GL on the tables 

Jock.

N.B.  From this point on if you meet me on a DYM...  no postit notes OK ;o)
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  • simonnatursimonnatur Member Posts: 330
    edited April 2012
    well done, good food for thought , look forward to reading more
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,627
    edited April 2012
    Looking forward to Blog II!!



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  • QuietmanQuietman Member Posts: 286
    edited April 2012
    sorry Jock, but for the life of me I cannot see how playing DYMs will help to advance your poker playing ability, either with or without post its.
    stick to proper games mate.
    this is just my opinion for what its worth.
    good luck tho and look forward to reading the blog
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  • Kiwini4uKiwini4u Member Posts: 3,830
    edited April 2012
    I've done something similar with a postit when i've been short stacked in a game, but have never had the nerve to try playing an entire game like that. Well done on managing to cash in all 4 games where you have played blind.
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    sorry Jock, but for the life of me I cannot see how playing DYMs will help to advance your poker playing ability, either with or without post its. stick to proper games mate. this is just my opinion for what its worth. good luck tho and look forward to reading the blog
    Posted by Quietman
    Completely disagree with this.

    Heard the whole "DYMs aren't poker!!!111111111oneone1111elevenone111!!!!!" thing before, and it's a load of rubbish. You get 2 hole cards and a load of chips, so it's still poker as far as I'm concerned.
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  • simonnatursimonnatur Member Posts: 330
    edited April 2012
    pretty obvious why it works as an exercise in playing position and situations
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,818
    edited April 2012
    In Response to On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    Hi Guys, Just a quick update, had my second session on Wednesday..  The Blog will be put up this weekend.  But thought I'd post up this taster. We disscused a great many things, but one thing I was made aware of was the amount of missed opportunities.  Mainly through not being focused enough on what was happening at the tables.  Since Wednesday night I have played 4 DYM's  1 x £11 2 x £5.50 and 1 x £2.25.  I have managed to cash in all 4 of them. Nothing to get excited about there, I hear you say.  True, True.  However when you consider I managed this without the DISTRACTION of being able to see my cards. It becomes a little more interesting.  Yup covered the screen over my cards with a postit. Anyway more of this in my Blog. GL on the tables  Jock. N.B.  From this point on if you meet me on a DYM...  no postit notes OK ;o)
    Posted by JockBMW
    i want proof that you couldnt see and demand info showing me that you folded aces pre. lol :)
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster : Completely disagree with this. Heard the whole "DYMs aren't poker!!!111111111oneone1111elevenone111!!!!!" thing before, and it's a load of rubbish. You get 2 hole cards and a load of chips, so it's still poker as far as I'm concerned.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Dyms are a form of poker which requires a different skill set to other games

    HU Hyper Sngs are another form of poker which requires a different skill set to other games

    Some people believe there is no skill in either format, which is nonsense imo

    I can comfortably beat dyms, but not Hypers (yet) I know of other players on the site (much better than me) and they lose a lot at dyms yet crush HU sngs.

    I only know of one player who can comfortably crush both diciplines.

    I dont get the "dyms are not poker" argument... a lot of the cash regs wouldnt be seen playing dyms because they believe there is little skill involved... But, there clearly is... you just have to look at the ROI's on scope of some of the best DYM players on this site and compare it to some of the average recreational dym grinders to see the skill edge demonstrated. Dyms also offer excellent cash for points.  I find them very hard to grind personally because they are boring, but "needs must" sometimes!

    The "post it" thing with the cards is a great idea and i might try it myself in the latter stages of a small mtt just as an experiment.

    I am enjoying your blogs Pete and the best of luck with your learning. Have fun.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited April 2012
    lol, i tried the post it notes thing. Its fun and it does teach you alot if you perservere with it. I dont win at dym's even when i can see the hole cards but it was a good exercise on squeeze plays and looking for patterns in others bet sizes and stuff.

    Looking forward to your blog.
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  • logdonlogdon Member Posts: 1,777
    edited April 2012
    Tut Tut   Next your silly Greyhound Coach will be telling you.  Quote;  "Young Whippet" go "All in every Hand." ????? Oops thats my tip.!
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  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    sorry Jock, but for the life of me I cannot see how playing DYMs will help to advance your poker playing ability, either with or without post its. stick to proper games mate. this is just my opinion for what its worth. good luck tho and look forward to reading the blog
    Posted by Quietman

    Hi Quietman,

    Yes the arguments regarding DYM's has been raised many times on this forum.  But lets look at what I was trying to achieve.

    1.  Use the opportunity to perfect note taking whilst playing several players at once

    2.  Play a game that would allow me to play without seeing my cards and give me  a quick result on how I perfomed.

    3.  Play games that would not be too hurtful to my BR if the learning process was a costly one

    4.  Allow me to play different levels of buy in

    5.  Allow me to be playing the same players to the end so I would be able to react to their style of play without being moved tables

    When you tot up all of the above DYM's seemed to fit the bill perfectly.

    Hopefully that explains how I was able to use the DYM Structure to achieve the goals I had set myself.  

    For me the DYM is a great way to develop my poker skills, in this case.  Currently i am also playing a great deal of HU SNG.  

    Opps this is turning into my Blog.  Lets just leave it there ;o)

    GL on the tables everyone

    Jock 



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  • QuietmanQuietman Member Posts: 286
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster : Hi Quietman, Yes the arguments regarding DYM's has been raised many times on this forum.  But lets look at what I was trying to achieve. 1.  Use the opportunity to perfect note taking whilst playing several players at once 2.  Play a game that would allow me to play without seeing my cards and give me  a quick result on how I perfomed. 3.  Play games that would not be too hurtful to my BR if the learning process was a costly one 4.  Allow me to play different levels of buy in 5.  Allow me to be playing the same players to the end so I would be able to react to their style of play without being moved tables When you tot up all of the above DYM's seemed to fit the bill perfectly. Hopefully that explains how I was able to use the DYM Structure to achieve the goals I had set myself.   For me the DYM is a great way to develop my poker skills, in this case.  Currently i am also playing a great deal of HU SNG.   Opps this is turning into my Blog.  Lets just leave it there ;o) GL on the tables everyone Jock 
    Posted by JockBMW
    thanks for the reply Jock and I agree with your reasoning for playing these games, as I said it was only my opinion of DYMs and (hopefully) not a criticism.
    If you are playing in MTTs and you are quite happy to beat only half the field then that is fine. Playing a 6 seat DYM is totally different to playing even a 6 seat SnG and requires a different mindset. I don't agree with that ' its not proper poker ' thing cos it is poker its just that you are only playing to beat half the field.
    If you play a normal 6 seat SnG and finish 3rd you get nothing. Also there tends to be a lot of sit outs in these games which gives a totally different dynamic to the table as people play differently again as there is always dead money in the pot.
    Anyways, good luck at the tables and looking forward to the blog.

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  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited April 2012

    You were asking for screen names suggestions a while ago Jock. After that effort maybe you should go with Annette_48.

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited April 2012
    Shove or fold poker is great when you can't see your hole cards

    It's a great learning tool, specially when you consider you can have as much as 40% equity - shows up how close match ups are

    good luck

    Are you surprised how much you didn't know about the game ?
    Or on the flip how much your actually learning about the game ?
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  • zzrzzr Member Posts: 108
    edited April 2012
    looking forward to reading the blog
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  • ArchangelArchangel Member Posts: 169
    edited April 2012
    'Nothing exciting I hear you say.'  Well until you wrote about that postage note part lol.  I nearly got out of my chair (I'm too old though, literally).  Very cool, but I have to ask what is your end game or is that the blog end story?  I know, or think that your coaching isn't part of a DYM plan so what is?  Look forward to hearing it in later blogs.  I'm guessing position and the ability to uncover the strength of an opponents hand or level.  Ether way I hope I'll learn a bit from your conclusion.  Hurrr in my day it was all in  all fold :).
      All the best Jock x
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  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: On Line Coaching Session 2 No Blog yet but a taster:
    Tut Tut   Next your silly Greyhound Coach will be telling you.  Quote;  "Young Whippet" go "All in every Hand." ????? Oops thats my tip.!
    Posted by logdon

    And you gave it away for free.  Kerching  BONUS :o)

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    Any idea when this should be due as really looking forward to it. :)
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