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Shove pre?

Prop60Prop60 Member Posts: 147
edited April 2012 in The Poker Clinic
4 handed in late stages of a £5.50 MTT. Was 4th of 7.

OK. In the end i think it's a cooler but should I have re-raise shoved pre after the small stack goes all in, in the hope the Chip leader folds, or just re-raised him? Is the pre flop flat call (x2) a leak?

Hand History #509530445 (21:38 22/04/2012)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceFlambeFishSmall blind 400.00400.009569.04BigCesBig blind 800.001200.004126.00 Your hole cardsKA   VIKERaise 1600.002800.0027407.50Prop60Call 1600.004400.0011582.90FlambeFishFold    BigCesAll-in 4126.008526.000.00VIKECall 3326.0011852.0024081.50Prop60Call 3326.0015178.008256.90Flop  723   VIKECheck    Prop60Check    Turn  A   VIKECheck    Prop60All-in 8256.9023434.900.00VIKECall 8256.9031691.8015824.60BigCesShowQ5   VIKEShow3A   Prop60ShowKA   River  9   VIKEWinTwo Pairs, Aces and 3s31691.80 47516.40
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited April 2012
    I can't see all the stack sizes in the hand history so it's really hard. But it really depends on the other players and what you want? Are the others really aggressive that they will shove over the top with hands that you're crushing.

    Again it depends on stack sizes, but personally at this stage I don't wanna take unnecessary races for big stacks, so I'd probably rejam over the limper if I have anything less than say 20k chips.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2012
    100% shove pre, you have 16bbs facing a raise perfect spot to shove.

    As played unlucky but shoving pre is the right option and yes flatting out of this stack is big leak unless you have like AA/KK but even then I'd 3bet small to induce.
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  • Prop60Prop60 Member Posts: 147
    edited April 2012
    In Response to Re: Shove pre?:
    100% shove pre, you have 16bbs facing a raise perfect spot to shove. As played unlucky but shoving pre is the right option and yes flatting out of this stack is big leak unless you have like AA/KK but even then I'd 3bet small to induce.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Thanks Dude and Lamby

    Point taken. I think I got caught between two stools here. I'd be interested to know which of the flat calls was the worst!

    Cheers
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited April 2012
    calling is only ok here if you're looking for a raise behind to get it in - once that raise comes you always have to shove. Calling is bad
    fwiw I'd hardly ever flat AKo on the BTN on a short handed table with your stack
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited April 2012
    shove over min raise

    if you are flatting intend getting it in postflop about 99.7% of the time
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