In Response to HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : Thank god people in poker have the freedom to play whoever they want, Absolutely nothing wrong with refusing to play somebody.Its common sense not to play other regs. By the way, regs refusing to play you is good news for you. You will not have enough of an edge to be profitale against any decent winning heads up reg at 50 NL to 200NL.. Poker players have the right to invest their money in games where they think they will gain a positive return long term, after the rake in deducted. Bookmakers lay odds to punters, not each other. Otherwise all the bookmakers would go broke in the long run, because any edge wont be significant enough to be profitable long term. Good gamblers, almost always gamble when the edge is in their favour. People would be better served having more of a business mentality when it comes to poker, rather then an ego driven mentality. Posted by Fabraclass
Are you like the spokesperson for bum hunters or something? Every post you seem to write is a massive wall of text, which if eveRyone followed would mean There would be no more cash poker ever.
It's funy you talking about good players investing money for long term profits..... Have you ever thought that by playing hu in a neutral or slightly losing scenario can actually teach you a lot and improve your games and give you a bigger edge in the regular games you play that will gain you much larger returns than the few buying you many lose hi playing a similar/better player.
Lots of spelling/grammar errors I blame on iPad autocorrect.
It is virtually a completely different game. It's like saying, oh you're good at MTTs so just go and play cash. When you're 100,200,300BB deep, you are not looking to be taking flips etc. In a turbo/hyper SnG I'm getting AK in pre all day long... HU cash with 300BB it would be pretty disgusting to get it all in pre with AK. It's much more about knowing your opponent, reading board textures, outplaying your opponent throughout the streets etc. I am happy to play HU SnGs all day long and am confident of beating them, but I would not fancy playing too much HU cash because it's just so different and so much harder, and I just don't think I'm good enough. Whereas Im' plenty good enough to beat HU SnGs. Posted by Lambert180
Why don't you think you're good enough, Lambert? I'm not sure what the lowest buy-in HU cash tables are but I'm sure you would learn quickly to beat that level. If you can beat SNG's, then you have the potential to learn to beat Cash.
In Response to Re: HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : Are you like the spokesperson for bum hunters or something? Every post you seem to write is a massive wall of text, which if eveRyone followed would mean There would be no more cash poker ever. It's funy you talking about good players investing money for long term profits..... Have you ever thought that by playing hu in a neutral or slightly losing scenario can actually teach you a lot and improve your games and give you a bigger edge in the regular games you play that will gain you much larger returns than the few buying you many lose hi playing a similar/better player. Lots of spelling/grammar errors I blame on iPad autocorrect. Posted by LOL_RAISE
In Response to Re: HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : I dont see what your question is? I am a HU player. It has took me long enough to become the player I am in this game. I am not going to waste time learning the 6max game when I can be so profitable at this game. There is not one player on this site that I would not play 2-4 tables against for a prolonged period of time at 50nl-100nl. The excuses for people not playing are ridiciculous, like one 100nl reg said "u tried to sit me at 3 tables so u must be reg". What a joke. Posted by iLoveToast
Sorry if you didn't understand where my q's where. They're the ones just before the question marks!!! Your post <before being edited, has certainly drawnt some attention so you may get the games you desire so fervently now. If there is areason they don't play with you then its up to you to find a strategy of finding these types of players somewhere else. Maybe its up to you to move up to a higher level/standard(?) if its unsatisfactory. If you put an opinion on a forum then people are entitled to give their opinion and/or ask questions aren't they?
I'm sorry if you're upset and its certainly not anything i'm involved with as i haven't got round to HU yet and i'm certainly not a reg but i was offering an opinion. That's all, pure and simple.
I had a good one earlier. I would count myself as, for want of a better term, one of the 'action giving Regs.' Then again I don't sit at empty HU tables so that my not mean much, however I never sit out when I start a six max table.
Anyway, I took the second seat versus a semi reg earlier, they snap sit out. Fine, it's their choice, I honestly respect that and don't get hot under the collar about it. An unknown sits with 30BB and the semi reg sits in, then felts the 30BBer. Still fine. Now's where I get annoyed, the very next hand the semi reg raises from the button pre, takes my BB and then snap sits out waiting to see if Mr 30 Bigs will reload. That annoys me greatly, if you have the intention of snap sitting out and haven't clicked the button fast enough then ship the SB across folding 100%, call it your fine for not clicking fast enough. Do not grim my blind and then hide away again.
Then he/she attempted to reduce, which was laughable. Sadly they never did come back.
In Response to Re: HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : Are you like the spokesperson for bum hunters or something? Every post you seem to write is a massive wall of text, which if eveRyone followed would mean There would be no more cash poker ever. It's funy you talking about good players investing money for long term profits..... Have you ever thought that by playing hu in a neutral or slightly losing scenario can actually teach you a lot and improve your games and give you a bigger edge in the regular games you play that will gain you much larger returns than the few buying you many lose hi playing a similar/better player. Lots of spelling/grammar errors I blame on iPad autocorrect. Posted by LOL_RAISE
No I am not the spokesperson for bumhunters. I just like to defend peoples free choice to play whoever they like. As people can get horrible, unjust abuse for this.They are just trying to make some money. My posts promoting game selection are not aimed at everybody. They are aimed at people looking to make an income stream out of poker. My advise has been well received and appreciated.And if will help the people it is targeted at, so that is nice.
Their would not be as much point in recreational players putting as much effort into game selection. as they may be willing to lose some money at poker because of its entertainment value. Therefore don't worry about game selection, from more serious players resulting in the death of cash game poker.As almost all professional players will use, and have to use some form of game selection to be profitable online, and online cash games are still alive.
I have taught about possible benefits to investing money playing tough opponents heads up. However I would prefer to invest a small amount of money in joining a training site. Where you will see in graphic detail how and why, very tough players play certain hands in certain ways, against all sorts of players, weak and very tough. Giving you step by step explanations, while they go through hands that they have played.. You wont receive this kind of rational for decisions made, while playing a tough opponent heads up.
Also very tough opponents, tend to play high stakes heads up.Serious damage could be done to peoples bankrolls, in a hugely swingy game, when their is little edge.If you want to learn from very tough players, why not get their advise, for free, if you know one, or very cheap on a training site, if not. Where players like Phil Galfond can be found, openly taking you through sessions they have played. Players don't get much better or tougher then him.
Alternatively you could ask a very tough heads up player to play you at very low stakes for educational purposes. I m sure, some would oblige you.
Don't worry about me picking any spelling or grammar mistakes apart. As I don't like to criticise somebody's post, unless it will help them, or my criticism is justified.
I do understand the issues for the site/general poker community with regards to regs sitting at multiple HU tables and refusing to play each other. This could and should be addressed by the site.
However, do think it's a bit laughable to abuse so called bumhunters. After all, if people were playing for the pure intellectual challenge they could take up chess instead.
In Response to Re: HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : No I am not the spokesperson for bumhunters. I just like to defend peoples free choice to play whoever they like. As people can get horrible, unjust abuse for this. My posts promoting game selection are not aimed at everybody. They are aimed at people looking to make an income stream out of poker. My advise has been well received and appreciated.And if will help the people it is targeted at, so that is nice. Their would not be as much point in recreational players putting as much effort into game selection. as they may be willing to lose some money at poker because of its entertainment value. Therefore don't worry about game selection, from more serious players resulting in the death of cash game poker.As almost all professional players will use, and have to use some form of game selection to be profitable online, and online cash games are still alive. I have taught about possible benefits to investing money playing tough opponents heads up. However I would prefer to invest a small amount of money in joining a training site. Where you will see in graphic detail how and why, very tough players play certain hands in certain ways, against all sorts of players, weak and very tough. Giving you step by step explanations, while they go through hands that they have played.. You wont receive this kind of rational for decisions made, while playing a tough opponent heads up. Also very tough opponents, tend to play high stakes heads up.Serious damage could be done to peoples bankrolls, in a hugely swingy game, when their is little edge.If you want to learn from very tough players, why not get their advise, for free, if you know one, or very cheap on a training site, if not. Where players like Phil Galfond can be found, openly taking you through sessions they have played. Players don't get much better or tougher then him. Alternatively you could ask a very tough heads up player to play you at very low stakes for educational purposes. I m sure, a lot would oblige you. Don't worry about me picking any spelling or grammar mistakes apart. As I don't like to criticise somebody's post, unless it will help them, or my criticism is justified. Posted by Fabraclass
You can watch 1000 strat vids, and it wont be anywhere near the same as learning about the game through playing hands vs different styles of players. You have just said yourself that very tough opponents normally come at high stakes, yet there are people sitting out against 50NL players.
In Response to Re: HU BUMHUNTING (sitting out refusing to play regs). OUTED. : You can watch 1000 strat vids, and it wont be anywhere near the same as learning about the game through playing hands vs different styles of players. You have just said yourself that very tough opponents normally come at high stakes, yet there are people sitting out against 50NL players. Posted by iLoveToast
As I said, you could ask the very tough player, to play you at very low stakes.You are going to find it very hard, if not impossible to beat a winning 50 NL heads up player. by over 80 buy ins, over 100,000 hands. Which will be required to merely break even. If you did manage to make a profit, it would be a very small one. The gap between winning players at different stakes, is not a big as many people think.
They are waiting for Nutters!--- But not just any Nutter--- Some Nutters are unpredictable lunatics--- These will not do---- They are waiting for passive, rich, inexperienced Nutters, that are easy to read, and therefore easy to beat--
If they refuse to play you, it may be because you are the wrong kind of Nutter
i was watching tommy/ilt yest (great match). looking through the rest of the tables there were 50+, hu tables open at 1/2 and above, with 7 players sat at them. there game was the ONLY hu game going on above 50nl and they were playing 2x 50nl.
surley if the like of ilsidur, durrrr ivy etc play each other hu why cant they? ps if you havnt got a big enough edge then get 1 !!!!!
i was watching tommy/ilt yest (great match). looking through the rest of the tables there were 50+, hu tables open at 1/2 and above, with 7 players sat at them. there game was the ONLY hu game going on above 50nl and they were playing 2x 50nl. surley if the like of ilsidur, durrrr ivy etc play each other hu why cant they? ps if you havnt got a big enough edge then get 1 !!!!! Posted by pod1
If you go to Tesco but dont spend money on shopping will you get any? If you go to pub but dont spend money will you get a pint? If you sit with lolufold but dont spend money on poker will you get any poker? If you go to the football but refuse to pay for a ticket will you see the match?
Of course the answer is no to everyone of them.
Whose the better play lolraise or lolufold? imo easily lolraise
good thread.i like the brainfarting by some,if i was that good earning a living from playing i would be sitting waiting on 3 or 4 sites on as many tables i could play not just this one,they must be set up for it unlike me sitting in front of a 14" monitor that can only get 4 tables running.just an opinion*smiley*
Its the sites problem not the players. You are never gona get people to play anyone and everyone and there is definitely a level of hypocrisy going on here but ultimately its down to the site to judge whether this is hurting their bottom line.
Its the sites problem not the players. You are never gona get people to play anyone and everyone and there is definitely a level of hypocrisy going on here but ultimately its down to the site to judge whether this is hurting their bottom line. Posted by offshoot
Well everyone practises some level of game selection. You for example wont play 6max yet will sit at 6max tables until they get 3-handed, yet complain when people who sit at HU tables dont play you even though they might not be HU specialists.
Im only going by what has been said in this thread. Bumhunters can be frustrating but the better you get that is the price you pay, people will stop playing you.
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yeah hes a sound player standard stuff heads up getting it in
Posted by IDONKCALLU
Of course, I wasnt expecting him to not get it in (especially vs me), I was just expecting him to lose
I'm sorry if you're upset and its certainly not anything i'm involved with as i haven't got round to HU yet and i'm certainly not a reg but i was offering an opinion. That's all, pure and simple.
Anyway, I took the second seat versus a semi reg earlier, they snap sit out. Fine, it's their choice, I honestly respect that and don't get hot under the collar about it. An unknown sits with 30BB and the semi reg sits in, then felts the 30BBer. Still fine. Now's where I get annoyed, the very next hand the semi reg raises from the button pre, takes my BB and then snap sits out waiting to see if Mr 30 Bigs will reload. That annoys me greatly, if you have the intention of snap sitting out and haven't clicked the button fast enough then ship the SB across folding 100%, call it your fine for not clicking fast enough. Do not grim my blind and then hide away again.
Then he/she attempted to reduce, which was laughable. Sadly they never did come back.
Their would not be as much point in recreational players putting as much effort into game selection. as they may be willing to lose some money at poker because of its entertainment value. Therefore don't worry about game selection, from more serious players resulting in the death of cash game poker.As almost all professional players will use, and have to use some form of game selection to be profitable online, and online cash games are still alive.
I have taught about possible benefits to investing money playing tough opponents heads up. However I would prefer to invest a small amount of money in joining a training site. Where you will see in graphic detail how and why, very tough players play certain hands in certain ways, against all sorts of players, weak and very tough. Giving you step by step explanations, while they go through hands that they have played.. You wont receive this kind of rational for decisions made, while playing a tough opponent heads up.
Also very tough opponents, tend to play high stakes heads up.Serious damage could be done to peoples bankrolls, in a hugely swingy game, when their is little edge.If you want to learn from very tough players, why not get their advise, for free, if you know one, or very cheap on a training site, if not. Where players like Phil Galfond can be found, openly taking you through sessions they have played. Players don't get much better or tougher then him.
Alternatively you could ask a very tough heads up player to play you at very low stakes for educational purposes. I m sure, some would oblige you.
Don't worry about me picking any spelling or grammar mistakes apart. As I don't like to criticise somebody's post, unless it will help them, or my criticism is justified.
As I said, you could ask the very tough player, to play you at very low stakes.You are going to find it very hard, if not impossible to beat a winning 50 NL heads up player. by over 80 buy ins, over 100,000 hands. Which will be required to merely break even. If you did manage to make a profit, it would be a very small one. The gap between winning players at different stakes, is not a big as many people think.
If they refuse to play you, it may be because you are the wrong kind of Nutter
If you go to Tesco but dont spend money on shopping will you get any?
If you go to pub but dont spend money will you get a pint?
If you sit with lolufold but dont spend money on poker will you get any poker?
If you go to the football but refuse to pay for a ticket will you see the match?
Of course the answer is no to everyone of them.
Whose the better play lolraise or lolufold? imo easily lolraise
Who makes the most money? imo easily lolufold
Im only going by what has been said in this thread. Bumhunters can be frustrating but the better you get that is the price you pay, people will stop playing you.