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Standard NL10 fold

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
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PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
allybungle Small blind
£0.05 £0.05 £12.93
SARKEE Big blind   £0.10 £0.15 £7.99
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • 10
     
raggy94 Fold        
rancid Raise   £0.30 £0.45 £10.54
Slider73 Fold        
allybungle Call   £0.25 £0.70 £12.68
SARKEE Call   £0.20 £0.90 £7.79
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 6
  • 10
     
allybungle Check        
SARKEE Check        
rancid Bet   £0.68 £1.58 £9.86
allybungle Fold        
SARKEE Call   £0.68 £2.26 £7.11
Turn
   
  • Q
     
SARKEE Check        
rancid Bet   £1.50 £3.76 £8.36
SARKEE Call   £1.50 £5.26 £5.61
River
   
  • 4
     
SARKEE All-in   £5.61 £10.87 £0.00
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2012
    Nah, I'm not folding. With the Jack, Queen and Ten of spades out, we basically have to put him on Ax or Kx of spades. That's a pretty narrow range of hands really. We've got the third nuts and this all-in is what we were hoping for. Get your chips in and feel stupid if you're beat... It's not stupid though.

    Sets, bluffs and lower flushes are in his range as much as the two hands that beat you. Unless you have reads that he's never getting it in with less than the nuts, I think you've got to call.
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  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited May 2012
    Easiest call in poker clinic history!

    Hope it's not a bad beat thread.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold:
    Easiest call in poker clinic history! Hope it's not a bad beat thread.
    Posted by splashies

    Alllllllright say what you mean fella!

    Feel bad for folding now ! Seriously is anyone shoving here with worse !

    easy fold right - utterly butterly standard
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold:
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold : Alllllllright say what you mean fella! Feel bad for folding now ! Seriously is anyone shoving here with worse ! easy fold right - utterly butterly standard
    Posted by rancid
    Yes, players will shove here with worse. Players who aren't very good, players who have a set/two-pair and just don't believe you. Players with lower flushes that think you have a set/two-pair or a hand you can't fold.

    What's your image like? Do they think you're a super-tight rock? Are the other players even good enough to think about your image?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold:
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold : Yes, players will shove here with worse. Players who aren't very good, players who have a set/two-pair and just don't believe you. Players with lower flushes that think you have a set/two-pair or a hand you can't fold. What's your image like? Do they think you're a super-tight rock? Are the other players even good enough to think about your image?
    Posted by BorinLoner
    I hear ya loud and clear, I kinda think that random bads are infact bad enough to shove here with better and give us an easy fold
    It's never a bluff! So it's pretty dam polarised, why are they shouting at me to fold ?
    Seriously who bombs river without better ?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2012
    Snap call for me if he has u beat ul :) never folding here 
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2012
    update i think alot worse calls here, your overthinking nl10 imo 
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited May 2012
    Why play a 2 spade hand when you match them up with 3 more spades?

    Would you open JTo in this scenario then?
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    Maybe I have wasted your time somewhat -
    I kinda worked out now why oppo sticks all the chips in my face, doesn't know how to play it any other way
    At least it's helped think about life and why randoms bads do this :S
    Maybe oppo thought it would look bluffy mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
    SARKEE All-in   £5.61 £10.87 £0.00
    rancid Call   £5.61 £16.48 £2.75
    SARKEE Show
    • A
    • 5
    		     
    rancid Show
    • J
    • 10
    		     
    SARKEE Win Flush to the Ace £15.24   £15.24
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold:
    update i think alot worse calls here, your overthinking nl10 imo 
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Just trying to understand what's going on inside oppo's head :s
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2012
    Obv just make a note on the villain how they play the nut flush draw.. I think long term you should be winning here alot of the time for it to be profitable, does seem weird them shoving the river? but i still think there are plenty of hands we beat which turn up here @ nl10 possibly can fold a worse flush but not J high. 

    Its very opponent specific normally but vs a random this is an easy call for just over 50 bigs again if you were deeper or some reads it can be a fold .. ifs and buts :) 
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2012
    If I play JT spades preflop one thing I'd like to see is 3 more spades on the board so why then would I **** fold? lol 

    If this is first time you've EVER seen oppo do this just make note for next time it comes up, if this has happened previously you only have yourself to blame, although even then I'm probz still not folding lol
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012

    call ainec without very good reads

    yes sometimes you will be beat

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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs Member Posts: 613
    edited May 2012
    Be honest.

    This belongs in BBV.
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  • simonnatursimonnatur Member Posts: 330
    edited May 2012
    ALWAYS snap calling, make note and move on.   You say shove chips in yer face, but river shove is only slightly over pot size bet.

    Even with note on this player, still can't see how we can fold if the identical situation comes up in future - due to stack sizes 
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Standard NL10 fold:
    ALWAYS snap calling, make note and move on.   You say shove chips in yer face, but river shove is only slightly over pot size bet. Even with note on this player, still can't see how we can fold if the identical situation comes up in future - due to stack sizes 
    Posted by simonnatur
    Ok Ok what can we learn from this hand :D

    not a lot. never  folding and yeah it's not really bombing :S

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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2012
    Only read OP, am never folding here.

    Think oppe will show up very weak (relative to our hand), strong (but not strong enough :P) and with air plenty here (given river line)

    I dont really get the line from him tho tbh, I think he is very lucky that you have a hand to call river with as played.  He potentially loses so much value if 4th spade peels
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