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Forum cash game. Played correct?

Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
So played the forum cash game last night. Was great fun, felt out my depth at these stakes though:/

Anyway hand in question. I make a standard raise pre i mean k 10 is vv strong so didnt want to scare anyone away. Get a caller and hit basically the nutz of the flop so bet. I am 100% sure when he calls he has qjcc so i am very wary. River bring the killer card so i just snap fold. Correct play right?

P.s. he did say he had the flush, i have to believe him in this spot surely?

TommyD Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £7.26 Giant811 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £4.80  Your hole cards K 10    greenjoe Fold     Wacko90 Raise  £0.08 £0.14 £6.16 rancid Fold     barnsie Call  £0.08 £0.22 £6.26 TommyD Fold     Giant811 Call  £0.04 £0.26 £4.76 Flop  6 10 7    Giant811 Check     Wacko90 Bet  £0.26 £0.52 £5.90 barnsie Call  £0.26 £0.78 £6.00 Giant811 Fold     Turn  2    Wacko90 Check     barnsie Check     River  5    Wacko90 Fold     barnsie Muck     barnsie Win  £0.72  £6.72
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited May 2012
    not read the hand

    the concept of analysing forum games is funny imo

    I just gamboool

    :)
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  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    Err, is this hand history right? Did you fold to no bet on the river?? Got to assume this post is just a level right?
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  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,621
    edited May 2012



    Good fold imo. Stick to tournies.....proper poker! :)
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited May 2012
    i like the open fold, makes you unpredictable, i probably would have done it on the turn though. Its pretty obvious the flush is gonna come on the river.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2012
    This hand is so bad, why you not bet the turn OMFG
    If you can't bet your hands and fold instead then maybe you shouldn't play NL4
    Worse NL4 cash poker hand I have ever seen !

    + seriously fold pre


    I know your going to say you had a soul read and all that shizzle, but come on barnsie prove me right for once - wacko is wack oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

    all the best


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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2012

    I'd prefer a limp pre-flop. With a big hand like KT you want aas many players in the pot as possible, so you should try to offer the rest of the table a good price to call with hands like KJ or AT that you can outdraw and get some pennies from.

    On the flop you've hit the perfect card. The Ten means you must be ahead because nobody else can have one. I'm not sure about your bet size though. At this level the standard bet is 4p, so you've made quite an unusual bet here. I don't like making bets as a proportion of the pot as it can lead other people to interpret your strength as weakness and call with weaker hands. We don't want hands like 78o or 96o to call us here because they might hit their second pair to beat us. I'd prefer the super-scary min-bet here so you can push your opponents off their hands and make sure they don't put any more money in the pot while you're ahead. A flush draw only hits about 3% of the time so there's no need to worry about that.

    The turn card is just about the worst card in the deck for you. Now anyone holding T2, 72, 62 or 22 is beating us and anyone with 34 has got what's called a double-gut-shot draw against us. Even worse, anyone holding A2, Q2, J2, etc has got a two-pair or trips draw that could beat us. These hands make up most of what's called our opponents' "range". That means the range of hands that they're likely to have, given the betting. By betting 26p on the flop we've invited all these hands to call along with us. We could be in bad shape against that range so I really like the check on the turn.

    On the river a third club comes down and our opponent must have the flush. When there are three cards of one suit, our opponent always has it. This is really bad luck because this card is only supposed to come down 1/30 times but Sky Poker is rigged so it absolutely always hits when we have a pair. I think the open fold is okay, especially since you opponent was telling you that he had the flush. I think the only alternative was to push all your chips in the middle to make him fold everything but a flush, set or two-pair.

    You've got to remember that in this hand you made all the right decisions and your opponent only won because he's an idiot. It's important that we tell our opponents how bad they are or they will never improve and good players like us can't make money when there are bad players at the table. So I hope you got onto the chat box and told him he's a fish. If you tell him how he should have played it, then next time he might play it better, which will be good for us.

    Hope this helps.

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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012
    Move down levels imo
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  • Giant811Giant811 Member Posts: 613
    edited May 2012
    I also played in said forum cash game and I have been contemplating some of the hands. I don't play cash very often, and certainly not as high as NL4, so I would like some you experts to take a look at this hand.

    Was I correct just flatting the 7-bet pre?

    I clicked back TommyD's 5-bet on the turn so I wouldn't lose my customer, but apparently that move was too strong. Should I have just called and let him bluff the river?


    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    TommyD Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £6.60
    Giant811 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £6.80
    Your hole cards
    • A
    • J
    greenjoe Fold        
    Wacko90 Raise   £0.13 £0.19 £4.76
    rancid Fold        
    barnsie Fold        
    TommyD Raise   £0.20 £0.39 £6.40
    Giant811 Call   £0.18 £0.57 £6.62
    Wacko90 Raise   £0.18 £0.75 £4.58
    TommyD Raise   £0.18 £0.93 £6.22
    Giant811 Raise   £0.27 £1.20 £6.35
    Wacko90 Call   £0.18 £1.38 £4.40
    TommyD Raise   £0.18 £1.56 £6.04
    Giant811 Call   £0.09 £1.65 £6.26
    Wacko90 Call   £0.09 £1.74 £4.31
    Flop
    • 10
    • Q
    • 8
    TommyD Bet   £0.04 £1.78 £6.00
    Giant811 Call   £0.04 £1.82 £6.22
    Wacko90 Call   £0.04 £1.86 £4.27
    Turn
    • K
    TommyD Bet   £0.04 £1.90 £5.96
    Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £1.98 £6.14
    Wacko90 Call   £0.08 £2.06 £4.19
    TommyD Raise   £0.08 £2.14 £5.88
    Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £2.22 £6.06
    Wacko90 Fold        
    TommyD Raise   £0.08 £2.30 £5.80
    Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £2.38 £5.98
    TommyD Fold        
    Giant811 Show
    • A
    • J
    		     
    Giant811 Win   £2.16   £8.14
    Giant811 Return   £0.04 £0.18 £8.18 


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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Forum cash game. Played correct?:
    I also played in said forum cash game and I have been contemplating some of the hands. I don't play cash very often, and certainly not as high as NL4, so I would like some you experts to take a look at this hand. Was I correct just flatting the 7-bet pre? I clicked back TommyD's 5-bet on the turn so I wouldn't lose my customer, but apparently that move was too strong. Should I have just called and let him bluff the river? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance TommyD Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £6.60 Giant811 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £6.80 Your hole cards A J greenjoe Fold         Wacko90 Raise   £0.13 £0.19 £4.76 rancid Fold         barnsie Fold         TommyD Raise   £0.20 £0.39 £6.40 Giant811 Call   £0.18 £0.57 £6.62 Wacko90 Raise   £0.18 £0.75 £4.58 TommyD Raise   £0.18 £0.93 £6.22 Giant811 Raise   £0.27 £1.20 £6.35 Wacko90 Call   £0.18 £1.38 £4.40 TommyD Raise   £0.18 £1.56 £6.04 Giant811 Call   £0.09 £1.65 £6.26 Wacko90 Call   £0.09 £1.74 £4.31 Flop 10 Q 8 TommyD Bet   £0.04 £1.78 £6.00 Giant811 Call   £0.04 £1.82 £6.22 Wacko90 Call   £0.04 £1.86 £4.27 Turn K TommyD Bet   £0.04 £1.90 £5.96 Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £1.98 £6.14 Wacko90 Call   £0.08 £2.06 £4.19 TommyD Raise   £0.08 £2.14 £5.88 Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £2.22 £6.06 Wacko90 Fold         TommyD Raise   £0.08 £2.30 £5.80 Giant811 Raise   £0.08 £2.38 £5.98 TommyD Fold         Giant811 Show A J       Giant811 Win   £2.16   £8.14 Giant811 Return   £0.04 £0.18 £8.18 
    Posted by Giant811
    lolaments

    only in forum cash
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  • elldixon18elldixon18 Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2012
    lmao borin!
    what a post!
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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited May 2012
    Pity we can't get these on the Poker Clinic show.

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  • Giant811Giant811 Member Posts: 613
    edited May 2012
    Now this one might seem like a brag post, but maybe others can learn from this. I called pre because that's what you're supposed to do with soooted cards. The I expertly float the flop with bottom pair bottom kicker. After I pick up the flush draw, combined with my 2 pair and trips outs, I must now be a mathematical favourite against Tommy's range, even if he's not bluffing for once. I then put in a good sized value bet, but expectin Tommy to fold as my line screams 62dd. He calls and puts in the chat box that he didn't expect to see that hand, so clearly he's not as good as everybody thinks he is.

    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance
    Wacko90 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £9.97
    rancid Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £5.57
    Your hole cards
    • 6
    • 2
    barnsie Fold        
    TommyD Raise   £0.12 £0.18 £3.76
    Giant811 Call   £0.12 £0.30 £3.66
    Wacko90 Call   £0.10 £0.40 £9.87
    rancid Fold        
    Flop
    • A
    • 8
    • 6
    Wacko90 Check        
    TommyD Bet   £0.24 £0.64 £3.52
    Giant811 Call   £0.24 £0.88 £3.42
    Wacko90 Fold        
    Turn
    • 10
    TommyD Bet   £0.44 £1.32 £3.08
    Giant811 Call   £0.44 £1.76 £2.98
    River
    • 9
    TommyD Check        
    Giant811 Bet   £1.36 £3.12 £1.62
    TommyD Call   £1.36 £4.48 £1.72
    Giant811 Show
    • 6
    • 2
    		     
    TommyD Muck
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    Giant811 Win Flush to the Ace £4.14   £5.76 



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