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Multitabling

daniTONdaniTON Member Posts: 18
edited May 2012 in Poker Chat
Hello all
I just wondered ppls thoughts on multi table play,how can u get a good read on an opponents style if you're playing 4plus tables?i heard its just basic abc poker,nothing fancy but I tried it today and my game suffered so badly!Do u think cash games or dym are best for this style?how ppl make living doing it is beyond me :-/if abc poker if good for mt then why is it not a successfull 1 table strategy?I see guys playing 24 tables at once!!its amazing and I don't understand it at all,it's fascinating and I would love to know some of the secrets of it?

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  • AcidMan27AcidMan27 Member Posts: 3,752
    edited May 2012
    The trick is to slowly increase the ammount of tables you play. Only add another one when you're comfortable playing the ammount you're currently playing.

    I personally find playing the ammount I usually play (around 6-8) makes me concentrate more on the games. If i'm playing less than this ammount of tables I tend to start browsing around the net more, or watching tv between hands.

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited May 2012
    ABC is a winning style and does work on 1 table, the problem with doing it on 1 table is that most people tend to get bored, then they start playing more hands than they should, or not concentrating on the table.

    Multi-tabling can seem a bit much at first, but if you've been playing 1 table for a while, you should soon find yourself waiting for something to do inbetween lots of folding preflop. As Acidman says, just increase the tables 1 at a time.

    It does depend alot of what type of games you play though, like Heads Up SnGs are alot harder to multi-table than say DYMs. This is because DYMs are alot more robotic and have a very formulaic strategy to stick to, whereas HU is very opponent dependent so you have to be paying alot more attention
  • daniTONdaniTON Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2012
    I see what you're saying guys,I guess my skill level isn't sufficient too play mt,do u guys play cash games mt?is it only a good strategy for dyms?
  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited May 2012
    First time i tried multitabling I found it an absolute nightmare and couldn't keep up with the constant switching between tables and it adversley affected my game quite badly.

    It's amazing though how quickly you get used to it, to the point now that I would much rather play three MTT's simultaneously than just the one for the same reason Acidman gives, it actually helps me concentrate more and spend less time watching TV / surfing the web between hands.

    If you want to improve your multi-tabling, try playing the forum DTD on a Monday night.  This is three tournaments played side by side and costs a total of £5.50 to play.
  • FabraclassFabraclass Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Multitabling:
    Hello all I just wondered ppls thoughts on multi table play,how can u get a good read on an opponents style if you're playing 4plus tables?i heard its just basic abc poker,nothing fancy but I tried it today and my game suffered so badly!Do u think cash games or dym are best for this style?how ppl make living doing it is beyond me :-/if abc poker if good for mt then why is it not a successfull 1 table strategy?I see guys playing 24 tables at once!!its amazing and I don't understand it at all,it's fascinating and I would love to know some of the secrets of it?
    Posted by daniTON
    Multi tabling will be valuable, if you are a winning player in a certain discipline, over a very large sample size.(As long as you don't surpass your own individual threshold for multitabling). If you don't play as an income source, then i would not recommend multitabling, if you would like more action, you could occupy yourself by doing something else at the same time. Or if you wish opening up another table or two.

    If you are a proven, consistent, long term winning player, then multitabling would be beneficial to you. However as the others have said, take it one step at a time. In depth information on your opponent's, is almost always critical in having enough of an edge to be profitable, in a game that is tough, and getting tougher. It is very difficult to make ABC, readless poker work these days. Because the optimal way to play different hands will vary, against different types of players. It may be very difficult for you get enough information on opponents, if you are multitabling too many tables. Especially if you are only multitabling on Sky alone, where HUDs cannot be used.

    Therefore I would recommend, very few tables to begin with. If your game is'nt suffering, by playing an extra table or tables(after a reasonable sample size) ,then add one more.

    GL.
  • daniTONdaniTON Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2012
    Thanks for the advice ppl,it's well received ,seems less daunting when broken down like that,especially the Bordem between hands watching tv and surfing the web!i do do that lol! I am a consistent winning player so it's something I need to look at,I play prodomanantly cash games but this Mtt tourni sounds interesting?monday nights,what's the prize structure?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Multitabling:
    I see what you're saying guys,I guess my skill level isn't sufficient too play mt,do u guys play cash games mt?is it only a good strategy for dyms?
    Posted by daniTON
    I do multi-table with cash because it helps you stop getting bored and playing hands that you really shouldn't be playing, just so you can get involved. Also, if you're a winning player, then as long as it doesn't adversely affect your game too much, it's profitable.

    I think it was Ed Giddins that explained it on 865 once in this way... if you've been playing 10NL (as an example) long enough and know you make 10BBs per hour (£1) when 1tabling, if you start playing 2 tables and that win-rate goes down slightly to 8BBs per hour (per table), then you're still making 16BBs per hour. If you play 3 tables and your win rate drops to 7BBs per hour (per table), then you're making 21BBs per hour. You just need to find that sweet spot where you're overall win-rate is more than it would be with less tables. The more you practice, the more you will get used to multi-tabling.

    One thing to note is that it does take a very long time to be able to konw your true win-rate but you should be able to get a feel for if playing more tables is making you play worse/lose more after you've done it for a while.

    It is definitely something I'd do in DYMs too, because if you play them correctly they require SO much folding, and becomes very boring if you play 1 at a time.
  • daniTONdaniTON Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2012
    Thanks for the advice ppl,it's well received ,seems less daunting when broken down like that,especially the Bordem between hands watching tv and surfing the web!i do do that lol! I am a consistent winning player so it's something I need to look at,I play prodomanantly cash games but this Mtt tourni sounds interesting?monday nights,what's the prize structure?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Multitabling:
    Thanks for the advice ppl,it's well received ,seems less daunting when broken down like that,especially the Bordem between hands watching tv and surfing the web!i do do that lol! I am a consistent winning player so it's something I need to look at,I play prodomanantly cash games but this Mtt tourni sounds interesting?monday nights,what's the prize structure?
    Posted by daniTON
    It's 3 tournies on a Monday...

    7:15pm Deepstack - £2.20 buyin
    7:45pm Deepstack - £1.10 buyin
    8:30pm Take on Tikay - £2.20 buyin

    They usually get about 160ish people in each tourney, paid out same as any tourney, so usually about top 20/30 places. First prize in the £2.20 ones is usually £100, and in the £1.10 one is about £50.

    A couple of people on the forum set up a league where they take your best 2 results from that night and the lowest score wins (1st place getting 1 point, 2nd place getting 2 etc.). Sky have put up prizes so if you win, you'll get free entry into a decent tourney.
  • daniTONdaniTON Member Posts: 18
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Multitabling:
    In Response to Re: Multitabling : I do multi-table with cash because it helps you stop getting bored and playing hands that you really shouldn't be playing, just so you can get involved. Also, if you're a winning player, then as long as it doesn't adversely affect your game too much, it's profitable. I think it was Ed Giddins that explained it on 865 once in this way... if you've been playing 10NL (as an example) long enough and know you make 10BBs per hour (£1) when 1tabling, if you start playing 2 tables and that win-rate goes down slightly to 8BBs per hour (per table), then you're still making 16BBs per hour. If you play 3 tables and your win rate drops to 7BBs per hour (per table), then you're making 21BBs per hour. You just need to find that sweet spot where you're overall win-rate is more than it would be with less tables. The more you practice, the more you will get used to multi-tabling. One thing to note is that it does take a very long time to be able to konw your true win-rate but you should be able to get a feel for if playing more tables is making you play worse/lose more after you've done it for a while. It is definitely something I'd do in DYMs too, because if you play them correctly they require SO much folding, and becomes very boring if you play 1 at a time.
    Posted by Lambert180
    Thanks a lot mate,that is very,very helpful!!this thread has me looking at Mtt totally differently! Thanks so much guys!
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