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AK Facing 4 bet shove.................

donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Ok so I 3 bet my ak suited then get shoved on.

Villain hadn't been that out of line from what I can remember.

Is this a call or fold????
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Dawson001 Small blind  £0.10 £0.10 £17.56
donkeyplop Big blind  £0.20 £0.30 £19.50
 Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
   
xxx Raise  £0.60 £0.90 £19.78
Sngwizkid Fold     
ali943 Fold     
vee123 Call  £0.60 £1.50 £32.40
Dawson001 Call  £0.50 £2.00 £17.06
donkeyplop Raise  £2.00 £4.00 £17.50
xxx All-in  £19.78 £23.78 £0.00
vee123 Fold     
Dawson001 Fold     
donkeyplop ???  
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited May 2012
    With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3.

    However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:
    With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3. However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    It was a pretty meaty 4 bet though dont you think?
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  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    Kind of see evilpingu's point, but also see yours. Agree I'd 3bet a bit more pre with the calls so they have less odds to come along, but I may consider folding AK at this level to a shove. I think in most cases you're flipping at best from behind, as unless I've seen them shove light with weaker hands I can't see this being AQ or below very often, and more likely its JJ+ as a minimum.

    Still that maybe just me as I find AK a sucky hand for me at times and so a little gunshy about getting it all in preflop in cash games. Tournaments I do, but less so in cash games even if I should. Just prefer to play more than gamble in cash games.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited May 2012
    I called by the way as I dind't think he would play aa or kk this way. Opinions?
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  • potattoooopotattoooo Member Posts: 145
    edited May 2012
    my opinion is your call is correct
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  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:
    I called by the way as I dind't think he would play aa or kk this way. Opinions?
    Posted by donkeyplop

    At the very least I would be putting him on a Pocket Pair, which means you are flipping.  I agree I dont think he would play AA or KK that way.

    It comes down to the question of do you want to risk another £18 on a flip.  That is a question only you can answer.

    What did he have buy the way?


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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:
    In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove................. : At the very least I would be putting him on a Pocket Pair, which means you are flipping.  I agree I dont think he would play AA or KK that way. It comes down to the question of do you want to risk another £18 on a flip.  That is a question only you can answer. What did he have buy the way?
    Posted by JockBMW
    Yeah I guessed I would be flipping vs something like 10s jacks or queens.

    Was tilting a bit at time hense the call. Not sure if it's a profitable one long term or not?

    I wiill post hand at some point.....................


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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs Member Posts: 613
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: AK Facing 4 bet shove.................:
    With an opening raise AND 2 calls, I would probably 3bet a bit bigger, about £3. However, if you're going to fold AK to a 4bet, don't 3bet in the first place.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    This is only true if you think they 4bet more than they flat.
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  • LadyFingrsLadyFingrs Member Posts: 613
    edited May 2012
    I call btw
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