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Serious question on NL4
Swog
Member Posts: 488
okay so a little background. I had been crushing NL4 and had a few shots at NL5 and NL8 which where also succesfull between the periods of dec11 to Feb12. Had a while away and have recently come back (3 weeks ago) to poker playing 8-9 tables on NL4 and it seems my profitability isn't even a fraction of what it once was. Only seem to be 5 BI's up over this 3 week period, where i most have played 20k+ hands, comparing this to my last stint here, i would expect to be atleast 100 BI's up.
Is it me or is NL4 becoming less of the fish fest it once was, with more and more reggy type players realising the value that can be had at these stakes, which is making it harder to crush the level.
Previously, i could count on my hands the amount of NL4 regulars (which i'd try to avoid) now it seems impossible to avoid any of them!
I think its now not a case of "il wait for aces and kings and get paid". Please discuss....
Is it me or is NL4 becoming less of the fish fest it once was, with more and more reggy type players realising the value that can be had at these stakes, which is making it harder to crush the level.
Previously, i could count on my hands the amount of NL4 regulars (which i'd try to avoid) now it seems impossible to avoid any of them!
I think its now not a case of "il wait for aces and kings and get paid". Please discuss....
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looking back maybe 100BI's is a little optomistic but you get my point.
Maybe you was also running well before your break and now you're just not running so well.
yeah i would expect atleast 5BB per 100 hands, im far from that at the minute.
In a similar position at the moment. Have been making big profits relative to hands played at nl4 since Christmas, then the last 2 weeks although I'm still making a profit it seems to have become really tough going.
I've possibly got a little over confident and not been as good on table selection as a result, not in terms of which tables I sit at but not moving on quickly enough when regs start sitting on my tables.
been through the same problem myself.
think what happens is past 6 tables 4 me
i started missing reads on players & basically then playing just my cards.
try going back to 6 tables and i think things may well improve again.
gl
;-)devon
As for making profit, even a slight downswing and NL4 can be difficult simply because people dont fold, but you want that. And the good news is when your on a heater you can print the money.
I blame DOHHHHHHH's guide, though it helped me to change from a superdonk to a 14.5BB/100 over 90k hands.
Just try to avoid all the players who have posted here plus other Regs TINTIN JIMBOE stefanos etc. I see rancid dropping down occaissionally plus Pokerfail and pod1 as well - must be TheDon's posts have tempted them all to give it another crack.
As Acidman says try & avoid getting involved with them & there's value there for sure. I still get it wrong sometimes but I guess thats the nature of poker - you never stop learning.
i could count a core of regs that are there from month to month on 1 hand. others ive tagged as regs while they were playing lots disappear as quickly as they appeared tbh swings n roundabouts and all that.
latley on another thread regarding nl4 a couple of players that play higher stated their intention to play at this level,
table selection is key when you feel the tables are infested with regs, tho there are some of these regs that dont practice this at all. what doesnt help at nl4 is during peak hours is the inabilty to open a newly spawned table. ive complained about this before i guess there is a limit on the tables they have at a level but hope when the new software is released this doesnt become a factor.
@swog you might have to consider you were running above expectation before and this time your running below so its kinda leveling itself out, after a peak comes a trough but from any time ive played you i wouldnt worry about your abilty to turn things round and get back to winning ways.
Think ive actually played with you on a few occassions aswell, please stay off my tables lol.
If you look at the bigger picture, periods of bad luck are good for winning players in the long run. Here are two reasons why.
1 Because recreational player getting lucky now and again, and winning a reasonable percentage of the time, will keep them coming back to play. Thus filling your pockets in the long term. Just like people winning at roulette, or in the bookies now and again.
2 It results in people analysing their games. Leaks can be identified and plugged, which too will be beneficial long term. When things are going well it can be easy to think, I am playing pretty close to perfectly, and have'nt got much too learn. Their is so much too learn in poker. Continuously trying to improve in bad times and good times is very important.
It is important to note that good players, will get unlucky far more often then bad players.Because good players will get their money in good far more often then bad players, and therefore get unlucky far more often. However as mentioned above this is good for you.If over a large sample size it seems like people are frequently sucking out on you, and your rarely sucking out on them.This is probably a result of you getting your money in good far more often, then you get your money in bad.
GL.