DYM shove

jams88

Thought after i made the move that regardless of villians responce this was a bad move? Thoughts please
Reasons for the play 1st over raise i have seen off this oppo thought he was blind stealing. But with stack sizes should i just fold this?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
jams88	Small blind		50.00	50.00	2620.00
pac129	Big blind		100.00	150.00	1825.00
	Your hole cards	Q A
hector45	Fold
JingleMa	Fold
JammyJan	Raise		400.00	550.00	2625.00
jams88	All-in		2620.00	3170.00	0.00

ClintonH83

I play alot of DYM and to me its all about surviving so even though you have a good hand id probably fold?

ClintonH83

What was the outcome?

Dudeskin8

I'd fold this w/26bbs.

That raise to me means he ain't folding and best you can see is AJ/AT/KQ poss KJ, all else means you're behind or racing and racing in DYM's is bad unless it's unavoidable.

EvilPingu

Need all 5 stack sizes to be able to comment on this IMO.

jams88

In Response to Re: DYM shove:

Need all 5 stack sizes to be able to comment on this IMO.
Posted by EvilPingu

We were 1st and 2nd in chips with the other 2 stacks between 1500 and 2100

Turned out he had 9s and i missed just wondered if this is ever the correct play thought not as i made it think i had too long a session and it threw my game off abit

Dazler

i would even consider folding them in a dym ya dont wanna be in races or up against a big pk pair or AK. Def not a shove after a 4x bb raise which generaly means a pk pair. Call would of been fine though.

AMYBR

Dont hate it.

Obv going to take the defensive lines in dym.  But what range of hands do we really put oppo on calling with?  Prob only A's & K's.

Stacks being what they are, oppo is going to have to have a really good reason to call, think sometimes we need to balance our dym nit lines with this in mind.  In his seat I fold all but those 2 hands.

rancid

fold if your in 2nd
4x in this situation is probs 10's+ AK
if oppo been constantly 4x co & btn then don't mind a shove but tbh a fold is still ok considering with oppo constanly battering the ss it doesn't affect you

jams88

In Response to Re: DYM shove:

fold if your in 2nd 4x in this situation is probs 10's+ AK
Posted by rancid

i agree its fold but i don't think its just 10's+ AK alot of people make this sort of move when they are just learning about position this is the right way to play it. Personally i put the villian on 22+ kx or ax fairly often in this position but either way i shouldnt have got involved really sigh silly me

rancid

In Response to Re: DYM shove:

In Response to Re: DYM shove : i agree its fold but i don't think its just 10's+ AK alot of people make this sort of move when they are just learning about position this is the right way to play it. Personally i put the villian on 22+ kx or ax fairly often in this position but either way i shouldnt have got involved really sigh silly me
Posted by jams88

w/o reads it's best to range it top end tbh

if you seen oppo showdown a weak 4x open then fine
you gotta know oppo is bad enough to open 4 x w/66

profman15

Fold here, i feel. No need to flip. you've got enough behind to make up.