Question about bad/not good player in Cash games

GreekWay

Will you take a note and automatically consider a player not to be a good one (I don't like the expression bad), if he/she sits in the table:

a. With not the full amount that he can buy-in(probaly 100bb or 200bb if a televised table)?

b. if he/she posts a blind out of turn in order to get into the game?

What are your thoughts on the above matters?

The_Don90

people can post OOP by accident, im sure im not the only one ever to have done it.

You get pro short stackers man, not sure if you get em much on sky but u get em. there dangerous little so n sos.

Jeronimo7

If i watch a table for a little bit while waiting for the BB to come round to me and the table is proper hardcore ill buy in for less than max to reduce the losses while im getting a feel for the table. If i happen to pick up a monster and take less profit if i win my AI then thats the price i will pay

Lambert180

I would generally go in with the view that they are less than brilliant if they aint sat with 100BB. Obviously if they have like 90-95, that's fine, or they could have less but have only just lost a big hand so might be about to top up. But yeah, I question their ability if they're sat with 50-70BB or less for a long time but as with all things, you can make that initial judgement, but you still need to pay attention and see if that judgement was correct or if you need to adjust it.

rancid

The way they play will tell you more than stack size
50bb stack can still turn up with a hand )
suffice to say, less than full stack is a clear indication they are not a REG )

GreekWay

I undestand that there can be some shortstackers sometimes, but a shortstacker should buy-in for less than 40bb, right?

I think a player that post a blind out of turn, it's desperate for some action.A reg almost never posts a blind out of turn.

percival09

you can't really make a solid judegement regarding their stack size or whether they post the bb or not

it can raise awareness but imo just wait until you see their play to make a fair judgement - I know pro shortstackers that buy in for 30bb - 50bb .. also some people who find some reasoning to buy in with like 70bb lol so don't jump to a conclusion

The_Don90

In Response to Re: Question about bad/not good player in Cash games:

you can't really make a solid judegement regarding their stack size or whether they post the bb or not it can raise awareness but imo just wait until you see their play to make a fair judgement - I know pro shortstackers that buy in for 30bb - 50bb .. also some people who find some reasoning to buy in with like 70bb lol so don't jump to a conclusion
Posted by percival09

+1

I dont speak french so let the funky cards do the talking.

GreekWay

In Response to Re: Question about bad/not good player in Cash games:

you can't really make a solid judegement regarding their stack size or whether they post the bb or not it can raise awareness but imo just wait until you see their play to make a fair judgement - I know pro shortstackers that buy in for 30bb - 50bb .. also some people who find some reasoning to buy in with like 70bb lol so don't jump to a conclusion
Posted by percival09

Of course, you shouldn't judge one player from one move. It is as you said. It should raise your awareness.

YOUNG_GUN

I usually look for tables with a few less then 100 BB

As for posting BB out of turn dont read anything other then they want to play ASAP or could be they think they have enough edge for it not to worry doesnt mean they have to be bad, although they could be

pod1

what yg said. i regulary post bb outta position as im loading up 6/8/10 tables. just makes it easier than keep waiting whilst moving tables about and postion on table .

MP33

PPl can post the blinds str8 OOP or not sit with full stack to give off the impression there just in a rush and maybe seen as been weak

MP

oynutter

I often post the blinds straight away if I sit down at a table with a loopy average pot size, it pays to look a bit mad sometimes-lol

 I also often sit down with less than max buy in, it's an art I tell you!--lol

Fabraclass

In Response to Question about bad/not good player in Cash games:

Will you take a note and automatically consider a player not to be a good one (I don't like the expression bad), if he/she sits in the table: a. With not the full amount that he can buy-in(probaly 100bb or 200bb if a televised table)? b. if he/she posts a blind out of turn in order to get into the game? What are your thoughts on the above matters?
Posted by GreekWay

The vast majority of the time, short stackers will be weaker players. These are people you want to play against, provided you can play well against their stack size. It may be very valuable to spend time analysing how to play better against short stacks.

Ideally you want to be playing against weaker players with full stacks, and it would be even more ideal, if they keep topping up their stack(which will be the situation a reasonable amount of the time. Looking out for short stacks, along with high average pot  size, and high players to flop, can be good filters for finding weaker players. However not 100% reliable, so definitely pay attention to a possible good table once opened. Are players playing too many hands. Raising too much, calling too much(particularly in the blinds.)

GL.

GreekWay

In Response to Re: Question about bad/not good player in Cash games:

In Response to Question about bad/not good player in Cash games : Looking out for short stacks, along with high average pot  size, and high players to flop, can be good filters for finding weaker players. However not 100% reliable, so definitely pay attention to a possible good table once opened. Are players playing too many hands. Raising too much, calling too much(particularly in the blinds.) GL.
Posted by Fabraclass

+1.

Thanks for the advice Fabraclass. I haven't thought about this.

My main key when selecting tables is staying away from regs. When I see rancid in a table I obv run away from it. But I would randomly join other tables, so I think your quidelines will help me make more profit in the future.

percival09

you shouldn't be running away from a table because 1 reg is on there... any table with at least 1 fish on is good enough

GreekWay

In Response to Re: Question about bad/not good player in Cash games:

you shouldn't be running away from a table because 1 reg is on there... any table with at least 1 fish on is good enough
Posted by percival09

Of course, if there are fish on the table there is probably some profit to be made. I look at the tables and try to find names I recognise. If there are couple I know, I will look for another table.

mattless

i quite often post in the co and raise with atc. Even if it doesn't get through gets me a nice image. At the levels i play this has been very profitable, wouldn't do it higher up than 20nl though.