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An people say MTTS are not all about luck

smith08619smith08619 Member Posts: 21
edited May 2012 in Brags, Beats and Variance

I lose to a two outer on the bubble of the mini.

ActionCardsAmountPotBalance
mcmighty Big blind  1200.00 1200.00 19682.50
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • Q
   
FROSTYJACK Fold     
smith08619 Raise  3600.00 4800.00 13110.00
pompeyskip Call  3600.00 8400.00 17680.50
jamiep007 Fold     
mcmighty Fold     
Flop
  
  • 6
  • 3
  • Q
   
smith08619 Bet  3600.00 12000.00 9510.00
pompeyskip All-in  17680.50 29680.50 0.00
smith08619 All-in  9510.00 39190.50 0.00
pompeyskip Unmatched bet  4570.50 34620.00 4570.50
smith08619 Show
  • A
  • Q
   
pompeyskip Show
  • 4
  • 4
   
Turn
  
  • 4
   
River
  
  • 8
   
pompeyskip Win Three 4s 34620.00
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  • smith08619smith08619 Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2012
    An another one a couple of hours before, another MTT.
    heft Small blind 300.00 300.00 7438.78
    smith08619 Big blind  600.00 900.00 11825.00
     Your hole cards
    • 10
    • 10
    		   
    marco2505 Raise  3000.00 3900.00 5861.89
    RogueCell Fold     
    paradox Fold     
    heft Fold     
    smith08619 Call  2400.00 6300.00 9425.00
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 8
    • 4
    		   
    smith08619 All-in  9425.00 15725.00 0.00
    marco2505 All-in  5861.89 21586.89 0.00
    smith08619 Unmatched bet  3563.11 18023.78 3563.11
    smith08619 Show
    • 10
    • 10
    		   
    marco2505 Show
    • 5
    • 5
    		   
    Turn
      
    • A
    		   
    River
      
    • 5
    		   
    marco2505 Win Three 5s 18023.78
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited May 2012
    yea had this happen a lot to m8 it sucks especialy in an mtt but all you can do is get it in good and prey. overal you will end up winning more than they do.
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  • ClintonH83ClintonH83 Member Posts: 431
    edited May 2012
    This is exactly how i go out of every tournament i play online! Its sick!!!!


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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2012
    Going to lol as I just put a similar comment on another thread, but its true so i'll put it.

    Had a 3 day session during extended downswing where this happened 9 times in 2 days, 4 of which happened within a 30min window while multitabling.

    Lead to me taking a long break from online.  It is what is, a mental challenge.  Amusingly watched it happen twice in an hour in a live session last week with flopped boats getting turned over by river boats vs OP's.  (Again described in BBV).

    But tbh MTT's ARE about luck to a high degree, by definition high variance game.

    Grim tho.
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited May 2012
    If you really believe that mtts are ALL about luck then please explain how one player can in the space of 10 days do this: 
    1st Primo
    1st 6k open
    1st 4k BH
    2nd Primo
    2nd 4k BH
     Are they just incredibly lucky?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2012
    Me or OP'ster?

    Response would be:  MTT's are by defintion high variance, ergo we have to run well aswell as play well.  I dont really see how that could ever be up for debate??

    Individuals can run well/bad for extended periods of time.  In any sample size there will be statistical abnormalities, impossible for there not to be.  If you think a person can get those results in such a short time frame w/out running well........ well that would be funny.

    But I never said All about luck, nor would I.

    I think OP'ster demonstrates it quite well going to river as 96% fav in each hand :p
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:
    Me or OP'ster? Response would be:  MTT's are by defintion high variance, ergo we have to run well aswell as play well.  I dont really see how that could ever be up for debate?? Individuals can run well/bad for extended periods of time.  In any sample size there will be statistical abnormalities, impossible for there not to be.  If you think a person can get those results in such a short time frame w/out running well........ well that would be funny.
    Posted by AMYBR
    The OPs heading ,"An people say MTTS are not all about luck "is what i am disagreeing with.
    Of course as we all know you need  bit of luck to hold your +50% but the skill will get you in the right situation to win, so Mtts are not ALL about luck so i am one of those people saying that.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2012
    Fair enough :p

    Think guy is entitled to a little rant given hands tho tbh.

    At least is in bbv rather than A51.
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:
    Fair enough :p Think guy is entitled to a little rant given hands tho tbh. At least is in bbv rather than A51.
    Posted by AMYBR
    Agreed :)
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  • smith08619smith08619 Member Posts: 21
    edited May 2012

    Thanks for the reply's guys. I was in a very bad mood yesterday because hands like these have been happening to me alot lately.

    I agree that MTT's are not 100% luck and you need a large degree of skill to be able to consitantly cash in them.
    BUT no matter how good you are if you run bad you lose.

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  • igimcigimc Member Posts: 625
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: An people say MTTS are not all about luck:
    If you really believe that mtts are ALL about luck then please explain how one player can in the space of 10 days do this:  1st Primo 1st 6k open 1st 4k BH 2nd Primo 2nd 4k BH  Are they just incredibly lucky?
    Posted by jonjo75
    Think they have been incredibly incredibly incredibly super lucky.
    Don't know who you're talking about(don't care) i'm sure
    they're a good player(prob very good) but how much luck
    has been carried,how many flips won in this run.
    Agree its not ALL about luck but it plays a HUGE part in MTTs,
    esp tournys with 400-500 runners.
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  • DazlerDazler Member Posts: 3,970
    edited May 2012
    Luck and skill have to run in tandem you CAN NOT have one with out the other to win mtts its a ying and yang thing. Although saying that some do win on the odd ocassion purely on luck lol.
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