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Should i have known better? Early BH...say no more...

profman15profman15 Member Posts: 1,808
edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Early £500 bh, no info on players. Would a bigger raise pre have put him off(maybe 120)? Lots,play SC's early so two spades mademe think he poss had oair plus flush draw. His donk on turn was mabe pot control so i ReR 3X. His all-in is a surprise to me but i've seen players fish early so the 44 was a shock to me. Still got outs (7 so 14%).
I shrug my shoulders and sigh but should i have NOT called all-in? Cheers...

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancehootSit out    donkey303Big blind 20.0020.002190.00 Your hole cardsJA   anyoldironFold    71merlin02Call 20.0040.002130.00profman15Raise 80.00120.001900.00iwojima03Fold    donkey303Call 60.00180.002130.0071merlin02Call 60.00240.002070.00Flop  410A   donkey303Check    71merlin02Check    profman15Bet 120.00360.001780.00donkey303Call 120.00480.002010.0071merlin02Fold    Turn  A   donkey303Bet 240.00720.001770.00profman15Raise 720.001440.001060.00donkey303All-in 1770.003210.000.00profman15All-in 1060.004270.000.00donkey303Unmatched bet 230.004040.00230.00donkey303Show44   profman15ShowJA   River  8   donkey303WinFull House, 4s and Aces4040.00 4270.00

Comments

  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited May 2012
    pre is fine
    bet bigger flop
    i think getting it in on turn is ok
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2012
    Pre good.

    Flop bet more.

    Turn standard, you can't raise turn then fold to shove EVER imo.
  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    I don't agree totally with dudeskin, as think if you know for sure you are beat you can fold, as you can't come back from zero chips but a 1000 you certainly can. Certainly if you were sure he had a fullhouse, but difficult to be sure he is on that. That said his shove for me really polarises his range. You say a pair and a flush draw. Flush draw maybe, but if he does put you on the ace then his pair is pointless already and he only has the flush draw, and is he going to shove on a flush draw with one card to come on a paired board where he could be drawing totally dead? Maybe, some do it for sure early.

    My view on these moves ofen is he puts out what looks like a blocker bet and then shoves over your reraise, which means it was totally the opposite and he was strong and lookng for exactly what he got giving him the chance to shove. And for me I'd expect a large percentage of the time to be facing the case ace or a fullhouse with maybe 3 out of 10 being a flush draw.

    Not saying fold is right at all, just saying that if I had a read on the person I might consider it if I got enough chips to still play effectively.Beats the rail, but it take an exceptional read on the guy to fold trips etc as others have said.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012
    Raise/folding turn would be really bad imo

    I prob flat turn intending to call river, but don't hate the raise, he prob gets it in with worse Ax and fds sometimes
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