Still cant decide if this action was correct or not

robz7

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
Dawson001	Small blind		£0.10	£0.10	£20.51
Shmortc166	Big blind		£0.20	£0.30	£61.23
	Your hole cards	K A
daddyo48	Fold
jr85	Raise		£0.40	£0.70	£18.01
robz7	Raise		£0.80	£1.50	£16.98
scouse_ste	Call		£0.80	£2.30	£39.07
Dawson001	Fold
Shmortc166	Call		£0.60	£2.90	£60.63
jr85	Raise		£0.80	£3.70	£17.21
robz7	Call		£0.40	£4.10	£16.58
scouse_ste	Call		£0.40	£4.50	£38.67
Shmortc166	Call		£0.40	£4.90	£60.23
Flop
		J 8 A
Shmortc166	Check
jr85	Check
robz7	Bet		£2.45	£7.35	£14.13
scouse_ste	Fold
Shmortc166	Fold
jr85	Raise		£12.25	£19.60	£4.96
robz7	Fold
jr85	Muck
jr85	Win		£9.31		£14.27
jr85	Return		£9.80	£0.49	£24.07

The_Don90

Your 3bet should be bigger for a start, obviously then the 4bet is bigger but a flat to that is fine. Or we csan fold depending on reads.  However im never folding this flop with this action. Losts of 9Tss, KQss,QTss type hands he can have.
 
Also why are we calling pre if we're gonna fold this flop?

The only had im consearned about here really is JJ, AJ shouldnt be here now nor should A8, 88 is possible because of pre action. Really i think folding here is burning money. But meh. What reads to we have on villian.

robz7

i had only been on the table 30 mins and in that time he hadnt been involoed in many hands so to raise my inital bet on the flop i found very strange and somthing didnt feel right to be honest, i definatly think aj or jj was his hand here.  I agree to get to this stage and fold seems odd but it was such an overbet from a tight player that i thought my one paair would be behide, u still calling?

EvilPingu

3bet bigger or flat call. 3bet size is horrible.

I can't fold that flop. Enough draws out there and the possibility of AQ or someone who doesn't want to fold KK/QQ means I snap it off all day long.

Dudeskin8

Min3bet is bad for so many reasons, firstly you most likely have best hand so want to get value minraise doesn't achieve that, and by making it small you give lots of hands great odds to call which is bad for you longterm, also generally you just want the pot bigger so value bets can be larger.

Min4bet is strange but you can't fold so call is fine.

Flop for me you have the nuts and remember you start hand only 89bb deep which is pretty shallow for a cash game. 

robz7

what would a bigger 3 bet achieve here tho pre, if he has jj, aq, qq,kk. he will call it if he didnt reraise a small re raise he would re raise a bigger one......so really i would have no more infromation it would just of been a bigger pot , in which i would of of folded and lsot still

robz7

In Response to Re: Still cant decide if this action was correct or not:

what would a bigger 3 bet achieve here tho pre, if he has jj, aq, qq,kk. he will call it if he didnt reraise a small re raise he would re raise a bigger one......so really i would have no more infromation it would just of been a bigger pot , in which i would of of folded and lsot still
Posted by robz7

*wouldnt re raise a bigger one

KAM99

In Response to Re: Still cant decide if this action was correct or not:

what would a bigger 3 bet achieve here tho pre, if he has jj, aq, qq,kk. he will call it if he didnt reraise a small re raise he would re raise a bigger one......so really i would have no more infromation it would just of been a bigger pot , in which i would of of folded and lsot still
Posted by robz7

The reason being that a min raise doesn't really achieve anything other than make a slightly bigger pot. He won't fold any hand at all to that raise because the pot odds are just to good to fold out to a min raise. So if you raise for information (sucky reason by the way) you found out nothing at all by doing it because any hand is calling, and certainly any hand they felt was good enought o raise in first place. As a general rule I'll make a 3bet preflop around 3x the opening raise, as that gives worse pot odds for any call, and makes it harder for someone playing a PP to make a call for set farming.

Also, if you make a min raise you can allow more into a pot than just the first raiser if there has been a call as well etc and so  you can quickly end up with a bloated multiway pot, which is never ideal.