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Flopped a set, what now?

davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
edited May 2012 in The Poker Clinic
Turn could`nt have been much worse, am i behind here after oppo`s re raise ?

Do i just lay this down?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
TheMadMonk Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £8.39
stapes7777 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £19.78
 Your hole cards
  • 9
  • 9
   
davelufc Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £28.43
Garb62 Fold     
MRGARY Call  £0.90 £2.25 £44.41
TheMadMonk Fold     
stapes7777 Fold     
Flop
  
  • 9
  • 3
  • J
   
davelufc Bet  £1.13 £3.38 £27.30
MRGARY Call  £1.13 £4.51 £43.28
Turn
  
  • K
   
davelufc Bet  £3.38 £7.89 £23.92
MRGARY Raise  £6.76 £14.65 £36.52
davelufc      ?
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  • mattlessmattless Member Posts: 194
    edited May 2012
    without reads have to call and re assess on river
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012
    Any reads?

    Bet flop bigger

    Meh I'd be tempted to jam, but prob flat readless
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  • davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Flopped a set, what now?:
    Any reads? Bet flop bigger Meh I'd be tempted to jam, but prob flat readless
    Posted by grantorino
    No reads GT as just sat down,  just hated this spot!!!
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  • JockBMWJockBMW Member Posts: 2,653
    edited May 2012
    Assuming the Villan has a flush 

    you have 10 outs, 1 x 9 and 3 x 3, Jack and King.  With the river to come you are have 22% chance of filling your boat or hitting Quads .  1 in 5 roughly


    you need to bet £3.38 to win £14.65  1 to 4.5.  Its marginal but depending on how much you put the other player on a flush comes into it.

    I would call in this position.... But then I do lose... A LOT 
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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27 Member Posts: 490
    edited May 2012
    Against this player you should call the re raise knowing you are behind and be prepared to lay down if the river doesn't house you up.
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  • FabraclassFabraclass Member Posts: 117
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Flopped a set, what now?:
    Turn could`nt have been much worse, am i behind here after oppo`s re raise ? Do i just lay this down? Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance TheMadMonk Small blind   £0.15 £0.15 £8.39 stapes7777 Big blind   £0.30 £0.45 £19.78   Your hole cards 9 9       davelufc Raise   £0.90 £1.35 £28.43 Garb62 Fold         MRGARY Call   £0.90 £2.25 £44.41 TheMadMonk Fold         stapes7777 Fold         Flop     9 3 J       davelufc Bet   £1.13 £3.38 £27.30 MRGARY Call   £1.13 £4.51 £43.28 Turn     K       davelufc Bet   £3.38 £7.89 £23.92 MRGARY Raise   £6.76 £14.65 £36.52 davelufc      ?
    Posted by davelufc
    I don't mind this spot. As JOCKBMW pointed out, you have great odds to cal and great odds to improve to a full house. They prob have a flush here the vast majority of the time in my opinion, not every time though. If you call and fold river if you don't pair up on river, then I believe this will be a massively profitable situation for you, given the stack sizes, if you get a full house on the end, you may get all their or most of their chips on the end if they have a flush.

    GL.
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Flopped a set, what now?:
    Assuming the Villan has a flush  you have 10 outs, 1 x 9 and 3 x 3, Jack and King.  With the river to come you are have 22% chance of filling your boat or hitting Quads .  1 in 5 roughly you need to bet £3.38 to win £14.65  1 to 4.5.  Its marginal but depending on how much you put the other player on a flush comes into it. I would call in this position.... But then I do lose... A LOT 
    Posted by JockBMW
    It's not marginal at all. As you said Jock, he's getting better than 4/1 on his money and is about 4/1 to house up. It's clearly a +ev call even before taking account of implied odds.

    The bet-sizing is the matter for real discussion. You bet half-pot on the flop, then 3/4 pot after the flush comes in on the turn. I would prefer that you either do that the other way around or just carry a consistent betting line through the streets.

    As others have said; in a vacuum it's best to call and look to house up on the river. Value bet pretty strong if you hit...
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited May 2012
    As everyone else has said, call and hope the board pairs, don't put any more money in on the river.
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  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    Yeah its not even a question about folding the turn. You are getting even odds on the call and very good implied odds with the amount he has behind, as you stand good chance to get the lot if the board pairs and he does have the flush. If it doesn't pair then think have to C/F, even thoughts it possible he has a hand like Kj the flush is more likely.
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  • davelufcdavelufc Member Posts: 1,374
    edited May 2012
    Thanx all, some very good points made again.

    Dont think anyone mentioned the mighty Q 10 ( suited of course! )

    Cant believe oppo raised my comedy bet on the river lol!!!!

    It was a sigh call, and as some of you say, i should have folded. thx again.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    TheMadMonk Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £8.39
    stapes7777 Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £19.78
     Your hole cards
    • 9
    • 9
    		   
    davelufc Raise  £0.90 £1.35 £28.43
    Garb62 Fold     
    MRGARY Call  £0.90 £2.25 £44.41
    TheMadMonk Fold     
    stapes7777 Fold     
    Flop
      
    • 9
    • 3
    • J
    		   
    davelufc Bet  £1.13 £3.38 £27.30
    MRGARY Call  £1.13 £4.51 £43.28
    Turn
      
    • K
    		   
    davelufc Bet  £3.38 £7.89 £23.92
    MRGARY Raise  £6.76 £14.65 £36.52
    davelufc Call  £3.38 £18.03 £20.54
    River
      
    • 2
    		   
    davelufc Bet  £0.30 £18.33 £20.24
    MRGARY Raise  £9.62 £27.95 £26.90
    davelufc Call  £9.32 £37.27 £10.92
    MRGARY Show
    • 10
    • Q
    		   
    davelufc Muck
    • 9
    • 9
    		   
    MRGARY Win Straight to the King £35.47  £62.37
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  • patwalshhpatwalshh Member Posts: 772
    edited May 2012
    Was going to ask starting stack sizes. But easy call on turn and hope for paired board. Without of which, check fold
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited May 2012
    now thats what i call a blocker bet!!! :-)

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  • laffnlaffn Member Posts: 17
    edited May 2012
    really doesnt matter what you do...its a fruit machine , there are time restrictions stack sizes to consider .......if you feel lucky push ... if not fold  !!.........by the way im not complaining i've used this knowledge of computer generated sites to my advantage before !!
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  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited May 2012
    In Response to Re: Flopped a set, what now?:
    really doesnt matter what you do...its a fruit machine , there are time restrictions stack sizes to consider .......if you feel lucky push ... if not fold  !!.........by the way im not complaining i've used this knowledge of computer generated sites to my advantage before !!
    Posted by laffn
    Bold 1, and bold 3  don't really make sense in the same paragraph, and bold 2 kind of feels like the opposite of what you are doing or have done before. But hey maybe I'm reading it wrong. :)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2012
    What are you doing on river?

    Betting 30p is pointless imo, he's always giving to raise better. 

    I also wouldn't be as sure as  most that river is always c/f unimproved readless 

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2012
    Bet more on flop for which is very wet, halp-pot is way too small. 

    On turn he kindly gives you great odds so call and hope for paired board. 

    EDIT : Also don't donk bet 30p on river it serves no purpose, just check and fold.
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