needs explained

DrRunGood

surely this guy was trying a move and had to fold or did i after correctly reading he had nothing do the wrong thing?

dave027	Small blind		15.00	15.00	6565.00
BRAHER	Big blind		30.00	45.00	1940.00
	Your hole cards	9 Q
hutchi	Raise		90.00	135.00	1970.00
mclair	Fold
AK994	Call		90.00	225.00	2400.00
DrRunGood	Raise		240.00	465.00	3590.00
dave027	Call		225.00	690.00	6340.00
BRAHER	Fold
hutchi	Call		150.00	840.00	1820.00
AK994	Raise		300.00	1140.00	2100.00
DrRunGood	Call		150.00	1290.00	3440.00
dave027	Call		150.00	1440.00	6190.00
hutchi	Call		150.00	1590.00	1670.00
Flop
		5 10 10
dave027	Bet		1590.00	3180.00	4600.00
hutchi	Fold
AK994	Fold
DrRunGood	All-in		3440.00	6620.00	0.00
dave027	Call		1850.00	8470.00	2750.00
dave027	Show	4 3
DrRunGood	Show	9 Q
Turn
		8
River
		3
dave027	Win	Two Pairs, 10s and 3s	8470.00

pryce6

he outplayed you dude

DrRunGood

i used to like u pryce lol

KAM99

Not sure how you "knew" he had nothing, and not sure I think you did more than just gamble on shoving your queen high flush draw on a paired board. Maybe wrong, but seems more likely. What buyin level is this? Wild play from multiple people it seems.

grantorino

Pre is spew

Post flop is fine, but he sometimes has something. Even when he has nothing he often beats your nothing

rancid

funny hand )

+1 GT comments

profman15

I don't understand the bet sizing and what they were meant to infer........it doesn't look like people were playing in any standard way for the hands thaey had otherwise you'd have folded pre and so would Dave.....it looks like a bluffathon, TBH,....cheers

AMYBR

+ 2 GT & ranny.

Just spew pre

1267

Pre is pretty awful .

How did u "know" had had nothing ?   

If you knew he had nothing, why not just call and let him bluff  or check fold later streets ?

You could easy be behind on flop.

As it was, you were lucky to be ahead, then got unlucky to go behind. 

Not really sure why you posted this hand ?   just a bad beat story  ?  .....

percival09

only squeeze with reads on villains opening ranges, calling 3b ranges and how often they 4b - readless it's spewy

fwiw squeeze bigger

EvilPingu

This is a weird hand.

I don't think 3betting pre with hands like Q9s is horrible, but our opponent is raising from UTG, so his range is much tighter than a button open, therefore I'd prefer a flat call on the button to a 3bet if we're going to play the hand, and play Q9s against multiple opponents as it doesn't play too badly in a multiway pot. You can just throw the hand away too, Q9s is pretty but you don't have to play it.

The flat call then min 4bet from the villain is just the weirdest thing ever. Having 3bet, if he's got the sort of hand he's representing, I'm calling the 150 all day long to try and outflop him and stack him.

Flop = Meh.

jugglegeek

Nothing wrong with 3-bet bluffing and Q9s is the ideal hand for such a bluff. However, when we 3-bet bluff what we genearlly want to happen is everybody folds or worst case scenario we see the flop heads up and in possition. So to avoid this happening... don't 3-bet bluff an UTG raise, if another player calls worry about if he has a small pair since players love to set mine early in tournies in multi-way pots, even without the required implied odds. Also don't 3-bet bluff if there are some spewtard fish in the blinds who love to see flops.

The flop is pretty good flop for you since it's unlikely (but not impossible) that the villian would play a ten in this way, we are four way to the flop though so the odds of running into a genuine hand increase. Once dave bets full pot then he's not going anywhere so you now just have to play the guessing game of does he have worse than queen high more often than he has a ten (since you are about 50:50 vs most other hands like pps and 5s).

But you're right, you performed a miricle soul read and "knew" that he had nothing. "now all you have to do is fade the turn and river"... I guess poker really is a never ending game

grantorino

Why is q9s the ideal hand to 3bet bluff with.