20k roller sats way too fast

Dazler

I know sky wanna get as many games over as possible quickly for this but seriously for £5 the blinds are way too fast at 3mins it just ends up more luck than skill in these for that amount, ive final tabled every game ive played bar the last one and was only playing for 20mins blinds were 400/800 and had to go all in with AK so even if you build up a decent amount you still have to play against people that shove and theres no play in it. So the players that get through to the main more than likely got there more through luck. The other sats arnt this quick and they are only £1 so why this one when you pay more.

Dont think ill bother with these anymore as the structure is daft. Not worth the cost just for a quarter final. I think sky know that people wanna play in it more than any other mtt so are goona play it a lot and they prob are gonna make a lot of rake from it at £5 ago and ending so quickly.

67Bhoys

agreed

GaryQQQ

In Response to 20k roller sats way too fast:

There are quite a few sats with 3 minute blinds, ie the daytime £2.40 sats for £11 Bounty Hunters are the same. Far too fast imo. As I mentioned in my quest diary recently I've completely stopped entering them. Direct buy-in offers much better value in most cases, particularly when you consider that many participants will be unskilled players who've got in via these super-fast sats.

Edit. I wrote this in my diary on the 16th of May;

In future I won't be entering any more £2.40 satellites into daytime £11 Bounty Hunters. I've come to the realisation that due to their super-fast 3 minute structures these are more-or-less luck based shove-fests and any skill edges are negated. If you run on expectation and win a seat 1 time in every 5 you’re effectively doubling the rake and paying £12 to enter an £11 tournament(5 x £2.40 = £12.00). I don’t consider these beatable to the point where I could win a seat for significantly less than £11 over a big sample. I've decided its better value to wait until I can buy into the £11 games directly.

Dazler

In Response to Re: 20k roller sats way too fast:

In Response to 20k roller sats way too fast : There are quite a few sats with 3 minute blinds, ie the daytime £2.40 sats for £11 Bounty Hunters are the same. Far too fast imo, as I mentioned in my quest diary recently I've completely stopped entering them. Direct buy-in offers much better value in most cases, particularly when you consider that many participants will be unskilled players who've got in via these super-fast sats.
Posted by GaryQQQ

there are some great structured sats that are great value for money offered on here buy i just cant understand the biggest mtt of the month and its the worst. Cash cow it seems and def not value for money!

67Bhoys

Yep, way to fast a structure, I have entered the £6 direct sat and will take my chances in that. 5 min blinds in that one.

steveskin1

Yep, sats structure completely ruin what should be a great opportunity for people to play a tourney that would be outside their bankroll.
Shove fest , bingo sat for a tourney this size is a disgrace imho.

beaneh

imo have sats days in advance that have longer blinds

then actually bother having some on the day and in the running up period to the bigger events, and have those with much shorter levels. 

EvilPingu

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In Response to 20k roller sats way too fast : Direct buy-in offers much better value in most cases, particularly when you consider that many participants will be unskilled players who've got in via these super-fast sats.
Posted by GaryQQQ

Surely this has to be the best reason ever to keep these super fast satellites? There was some pretty bad players in the last Roller that got in through £5.30 satellites and frenzy satellites. I remember one last time, who satellited in, then was somehow in the top 5 for almost the entire duration of the live show. In most, if not all the hands that Sky showed of this player, he limped and ran like Usain Bolt. Think he ended up min-cashing in the end. 

There's no way if all the satellites had a decent structure that a lot of those weaker players would've got into the tournament, so taking away these satellites would actually take away a lot of the value in playing these big tournaments for the better players. 

For winning micro stakes players who really want to play, with the poor blind structures in the micro sats, I agree that there's no value in playing the micro satellites - I'd suggest grinding £110 profit over a couple of weeks from when the tournament is announced, and buying in direct instead of playing the satellites.

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Yep, way to fast a structure, I have entered the £6 direct sat and will take my chances in that. 5 min blinds in that one.
Posted by 67Bhoys

+1, the direct sats are awesome.

I think that Sky really needs Sit 'n' Go direct satellites (preferably in a separate tab so people can actually find them) for every big tournament, 8pm Main Event, and 9pm £110 BI tournament IMO. They're one of them things which, if nobody plays them then it doesn't matter, they'll just sit in the corner gathering dust, and if people play them, Sky makes a few quid rake, and somebody qualifies for a big tournament for next to nothing, everyone's happy. I can't see any reason for not having them tbh.

Dazler

In Response to Re: 20k roller sats way too fast:

In Response to  Re: 20k roller sats way too fast : Surely this has to be the best reason ever to keep these super fast satellites? There was some pretty bad players in the last Roller that got in through £5.30 satellites and frenzy satellites. I remember one last time, who satellited in, then was somehow in the top 5 for almost the entire duration of the live show. In most, if not all the hands that Sky showed of this player, he limped and ran like Usain Bolt. Think he ended up min-cashing in the end.  There's no way if all the satellites had a decent structure that a lot of those weaker players would've got into the tournament, so taking away these satellites would actually take away a lot of the value in playing these big tournaments for the better players.  For winning micro stakes players who really want to play, with the poor blind structures in the micro sats, I agree that there's no value in playing the micro satellites - I'd suggest grinding £110 profit over a couple of weeks from when the tournament is announced, and buying in direct instead of playing the satellites. In Response to Re: 20k roller sats way too fast : +1, the direct sats are awesome. I think that Sky really needs Sit 'n' Go direct satellites (preferably in a separate tab so people can actually find them) for every big tournament, 8pm Main Event, and 9pm £110 BI tournament IMO. They're one of them things which, if nobody plays them then it doesn't matter, they'll just sit in the corner gathering dust, and if people play them, Sky makes a few quid rake, and somebody qualifies for a big tournament for next to nothing, everyone's happy. I can't see any reason for not having them tbh.
Posted by EvilPingu

agree with all points really but there are too many of the 3min blind sats and hardly any of the Direct buy in sats so i ended up playing the latter. Realise now they are pontless and to be honest your right and i have more chance buying in direct to the main if i could afford it, unfortunately i cant. I want bad players in any mtt i play but not to the point where i cant play against them and have to bingo shove and if thats the only option to get through then id rather not get through.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: 20k roller sats way too fast:

imo have sats days in advance that have longer blinds then actually bother having some on the day and in the running up period to the bigger events, and have those with much shorter levels. 
Posted by beaneh

good idea beaneh.