This has kinda got away from the point that the structure was too long. 25/50 start with 12min clock would have been a decent compromise. Still allows everyone on Sky to fold for almost the same amount of hours whilst forcing a conclusion before the sun comes up the next day.
Mainly the issue is without antes structures on Sky will always be substantially worse/harder to design. I'm not as experienced in the matter as Beaneh but literally all of his post was correct. Even though he wasn't polite to each of the previous opinions in turn, it's probably worth listening to him instead of getting into petty one line grammar arguments
I think Beaneh has some great points but to open your case with ,"Ima be honest. none of you have a clue what you are talking about with regards to structures" is not the best way to put those points forward and just comes across as a little arrogant.
I think Beaneh has some great points but to open your case with ,"Ima be honest. none of you have a clue what you are talking about with regards to structures" is not the best way to put those points forward and just comes across as a little arrogant. Posted by jonjo75
people don't even read long posts so I have to be to the point.
It's not like I just insult people, I make a broad statement then spend 15 mins backing it up with logic and reasoning.
Other people put forth complete and utter nonsense if at all to back it up and then expect their opinion to garner similar levels of respect. It's not appening.
In Response to Re: super roller : people don't even read long posts so I have to be to the point. It's not like I just insult people, I make a broad statement then spend 15 mins backing it up with logic and reasoning. Other people put forth complete and utter nonsense if at all to back it up and then expect their opinion to garner similar levels of respect. It's not appening. Posted by beaneh
Pretty much this.
Beaneh can be pretty blunt at times but I've never seen him put across an opinion without being able to back it up in depth rather than just repeating a position over and over as a sham of an argument.
I have nowhere near the indepth knowledge of structures compared to other people in the thread, I'd say I had a rudimentary understanding. However from a purely personal point of view I enjoy insanely slow structures. But I do agree antes would shake things up on here and it is something i would like to see soon, just to give greater scope to how a structure could be formed for different outcomes of tournament style.
In Response to Re: super roller : Pretty much this. Beaneh can be pretty blunt at times but I've never seen him put across an opinion without being able to back it up in depth rather than just repeating a position over and over as a sham of an argument. I have nowhere near the indepth knowledge of structures compared to other people in the thread, I'd say I had a rudimentary understanding. However from a purely personal point of view I enjoy insanely slow structures. But I do agree antes would shake things up on here and it is something i would like to see soon, just to give greater scope to how a structure could be formed for different outcomes of tournament style. Posted by TommyD
fwiw i'm basing my reasoning for the structures needing tweaking at the moment on the fact that antes aren't possible, otherwise the levels could stay the same just by introducing them.
Of the 2 people on the sky forums who have seemed insulted by anything i've said both have come to the realisation i'm being honest and trying to help them rather than be rude. I'm pretty confident I could cause a hoo ha and make people insulted with just one line I wouldn't need to write long walls of text.
Don't want to get involved in the mudslinging here
Beaneh, I haven't seen your previous post on structures, but how do you change them to improve play later? Lengthen levels and/or shallower increases later in tourney? Just interested, would be great to have before play late on in tourneys, but not sure how you can achieve it
Don't want to get involved in the mudslinging here Beaneh, I haven't seen your previous post on structures, but how do you change them to improve play later? Lengthen levels and/or shallower increases later in tourney? Just interested, would be great to have before play late on in tourneys, but not sure how you can achieve it Posted by grantorino
The problem being with no antes there is no incentive to play, so correctly jamming/rejamming/opening ranges are tighter, slowing down the play.
By introducing antes midway through the play is sped up and there are more confrontations/blind steals etc so people bow out quicker and stacks stay on average deeper.
Having a billion blinds for the first 3 hours of the comp is somewhat pointless, imo 25/50 10k starting 10-12min blinds with the good slow structure ie shallow increases throughout would make them even with no antes play better imo.
It's just like live where people want to have LOTS of chips, irregardless of whether the blinds start at 1 bajillion 2 bajillion as long as they've had a large number of chips they are happy.
People complain about the wsop having small starting stacks and a 25/25 level, however the tournies with such large fields have to be pretty crapshooty at some points and so they correctly force the crapshooty bit to start earlier such that by the later stages of the tournament the chips have consolidated and people are playing with medium deep stacks when the real money is on the line.
All previous discussion can be found here in the Create a comp farce thread link below.
You've played many tournaments, went further than most in the WSOP last year and consistently perform at a high level. Of all the tournaments you've played in, Which tournament had the best structure? I'm not apologising for my grammar cos they're both in heaven but I would like to know where you think they've got it right!
In simple terms I would say I love a big starting stack and a deep structure.
Now I've only ever played online at Sky and my live experiences are limited, though a recent trip to Vegas did wonders for my learning curve towards the more subtle points of tournament poker.
I believe Beaneh know's what I would enjoy better than I do, and I also understand ante's will go along way to improving mtt's on Sky.
Back to my opening remark that I love loads of chips and slow structures, what I think I really mean is that I love a starting stack and structure that allows plenty of play from start to finish, no 'foldathon' periods and cashing equates to several hours of play.
This is a poker site which at times lends itself to the playing community, how about setting up a decent sized buy-in mtt with structures devised by Beaneh and see what the public make of it!
Footnote; Beaneh should play in the event and put up a bounty on his own head.
Im not a tourney player and pretty much a one trick pony cash player (probably not very good one at that ),
but my god was the 20k roller a drag, it bored the **** out of me and having no antes just made this 10x worse.
And how much i would love antes and feel it would improve my tourney game immensely! (and fingers cross they are in the pipeline) in the meantime though there's a little man on my shoulder telling me to shut the f@£k up, stop b!tch'n, just adapt and get on with it.
Comments
Mainly the issue is without antes structures on Sky will always be substantially worse/harder to design. I'm not as experienced in the matter as Beaneh but literally all of his post was correct. Even though he wasn't polite to each of the previous opinions in turn, it's probably worth listening to him instead of getting into petty one line grammar arguments
Im no expert on tourney structures, dont play many tourneys, but I found it painful.
It's not like I just insult people, I make a broad statement then spend 15 mins backing it up with logic and reasoning.
Beaneh can be pretty blunt at times but I've never seen him put across an opinion without being able to back it up in depth rather than just repeating a position over and over as a sham of an argument.
I have nowhere near the indepth knowledge of structures compared to other people in the thread, I'd say I had a rudimentary understanding. However from a purely personal point of view I enjoy insanely slow structures. But I do agree antes would shake things up on here and it is something i would like to see soon, just to give greater scope to how a structure could be formed for different outcomes of tournament style.
You've played many tournaments, went further than most in the WSOP last year and consistently perform at a high level.
Of all the tournaments you've played in, Which tournament had the best structure?
I'm not apologising for my grammar cos they're both in heaven but I would like to know where you think they've got it right!
In simple terms I would say I love a big starting stack and a deep structure.
Now I've only ever played online at Sky and my live experiences are limited, though a recent trip to Vegas did wonders for my learning curve towards the more subtle points of tournament poker.
I believe Beaneh know's what I would enjoy better than I do, and I also understand ante's will go along way to improving mtt's on Sky.
Back to my opening remark that I love loads of chips and slow structures, what I think I really mean is that I love a starting stack and structure that allows plenty of play from start to finish, no 'foldathon' periods and cashing equates to several hours of play.
This is a poker site which at times lends itself to the playing community, how about setting up a decent sized buy-in mtt with structures devised by Beaneh and see what the public make of it!
Footnote; Beaneh should play in the event and put up a bounty on his own head.