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Sky's tournament schedule

EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
edited June 2012 in Poker Chat
Earlier today, I was replying to a post in my diary thread earlier, which was basically saying "Why don't you play more tournaments?". The honest answer to this is that there's not much on Sky's tournament schedule which really interests me. 

There's no point in me moaning about something and just saying "Sort it out Sky", without saying what I think could be changed to improve it. I've put these in order of importance, so the stuff near the top is "Sort it out Sky", and the stuff at the bottom is "That sounds cool, might as well put it on this thread".


1) Antes - Can't have a "Sort it out Sky!" thread about tournaments without mentioning the lack of Antes. They've been "Coming Soon" for ages, where are they and when are they coming?

2) The lack of freezeouts above £5.50 - I'm not a huge fan of Bounty Hunters, so I looked for the biggest freezeout I could find which runs every single night. The biggest freezeout I found, which wasn't the £5k Open or the Sky Roller, was a £200 GTD, £5.50 buy-in tournament which started at 6pm. There's also a £11, £300 GTD tournament at Midnight. Everything in between is Bounty Hunters.

If people play these freezeouts (which presumably they do as these tournaments have a guarantee), then surely they'd play a similar tournament in the evening, so why isn't there at least a £11 freezeout or two, running at some point during the evening with a few hundred quid guarantee? There's the big £110 tournament every night, and a load of £1.10 - £5.50 stuff, but nothing in between.

Also, I often see people respond with "But people like Bounty Hunters" - Fair point, but there's also people that don't like Bounty Hunters, and have you ever considered that people play Bounty Hunters because of the lack of normal freezeouts with a decent buy-in and guarantee on here?

In general, I think the Hold'em section of the tournament lobby is a bit too "gimmicky". There's a lot of Timed Tournaments, Bounty Hunters, 1 Minute Roulette tournaments, which isn't a problem if people play and enjoy them, but in adding all of these fancy tournaments to the lobby, I think that Sky have overlooked the need for plain old freezeouts on the site.

3) 15% rake on Bounty Hunters up to £5.75 - A fool and his money are soon parted, I guess. If people are willing to pay 15% rake then it makes sense for Sky to charge 15% rake, but compared to other sites, it's terrible. I know quite a few players (myself included) refuse to play these because of the 15% rake. Of course, I wouldn't play Bounty Hunters much anyway, but if I wanted to play them, I would be discouraged by the 15% rake. Think this needs looking at and possibly dropping to 10%, like the rest of the industry.

4) Lack of micro stakes timed tournaments
 - There's two £3.30 Timed Tournaments, one at 19:05 and another a bit later. The rest are £5.50 and above. I reckon that a couple of £1.10 and £2.20 Timed Tournaments would be a welcome addition to the lobby. Also a couple of 60 minute ones with smaller buy-ins, I think the smallest 60 minute Timed Tournament is £11? Why no 60 minute, £3.30 Timed Tournaments? Can understand from Sky's point of view that only 30p rake for someone playing for an hour is rubbish, and they'd probably make more if that same person sat at a 4NL table, but at least give us a 60 minute, £5.50 Timed Tournament or two.

5) Bigger Omaha tournament
 - There's quite a few Omaha players on the site, surely there's room for a nightly £5.50 tournament with a decent guarantee? If the £5.50 PLO8 tournament can meet the £100 guarantee every night, then surely PLO can as well.

6) Lack of £1.10 PLO8 game in the evenings - I realise that PLO8 is never going to be as popular as Hold'em. However, there's 3 £1.10 PLO8 tournaments at 11:55, 14:55, and 16:55, but nothing when people get home from work. I've not played PLO8 for a while, so idk how many people are playing them, but another one a bit later in the evening would surely encourage more people who haven't played PLO8 before to give PLO8 a try.

Either that, or there's PLO Freerolls at weekends, maybe do a PLO8 Freeroll as well sometime?

7) NLH/Omaha Mixed tournament - We've got Hold'em and Omaha on here, so surely this would be possible? Could be fun :)


If I've missed anything, add it to this thread :)

Comments

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited June 2012
    Big +1
  • 67Bhoys67Bhoys Member Posts: 2,553
    edited June 2012
    +1 to all mate

    I would add that 20% rake on micro DYMs is a scandal.

    micro DYMs for PLO8

    3 min blinds for sats is too short

    Other than that u got it covered.

    Not holding my breath though, been down all these roads before







    But other than that spot on.

  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2012
    Wish there was decent stake tournes abit later on.  e.g 10 pm  £33 - £55 buy ins.

    Also would be nice if there was some 50 60 quid tournes,  theres just a random jump from the £33 bh's to the £110 rollers and bh.

    On the nights the roller or £110 bh don't run, they should have a £30-60 buy in tourne i think, even with a low gurantee,  maybe 30 -50 runners.

    Basically would generally like to see more £22 £33 and maybe £44 £55 and £66 buy in tournaments in general,  maybe one during the day when there is nothing over £11 and maybe one later on.
     
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited June 2012
    I must admit that I skipped over the end of the post - When people start talking about Omaha I start looking for something else to do - but I concur with just about everything you say, young chap.

    I would assume that the lack of £11 freezeouts is down to Sky not wanting to impact on the Main Event numbers with another, reasonably large buy-in tournament. They would probably see them as being competing events, rather than complementary.
  • Padzz77Padzz77 Member Posts: 143
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Sky's tournament schedule:
    Earlier today, I was replying to a post in my diary thread earlier, which was basically saying "Why don't you play more tournaments?". The honest answer to this is that there's not much on Sky's tournament schedule which really interests me.  There's no point in me moaning about something and just saying "Sort it out Sky", without saying what I think could be changed to improve it. I've put these in order of importance, so the stuff near the top is "Sort it out Sky", and the stuff at the bottom is "That sounds cool, might as well put it on this thread". 1) Antes  - Can't have a "Sort it out Sky!" thread about tournaments without mentioning the lack of Antes. They've been "Coming Soon" for ages, where are they and when are they coming? 2) The lack of freezeouts above £5.50 - I'm not a huge fan of Bounty Hunters, so I looked for the biggest freezeout I could find which runs every single night. The biggest freezeout I found, which wasn't the £5k Open or the Sky Roller, was a £200 GTD, £5.50 buy-in tournament which started at 6pm. There's also a £11, £300 GTD tournament at Midnight. Everything in between is Bounty Hunters. If people play these freezeouts (which presumably they do as these tournaments have a guarantee), then surely they'd play a similar tournament in the evening, so why isn't there at least a £11 freezeout or two, running at some point during the evening with a few hundred quid guarantee? There's the big £110 tournament every night, and a load of £1.10 - £5.50 stuff, but nothing in between. Also, I often see people respond with "But people like Bounty Hunters" - Fair point, but there's also people that don't like Bounty Hunters, and have you ever considered that people play Bounty Hunters because of the lack of normal freezeouts with a decent buy-in and guarantee on here? In general, I think the Hold'em section of the tournament lobby is a bit too "gimmicky". There's a lot of Timed Tournaments, Bounty Hunters, 1 Minute Roulette tournaments, which isn't a problem if people play and enjoy them, but in adding all of these fancy tournaments to the lobby, I think that Sky have overlooked the need for plain old freezeouts on the site. 3) 15% rake on Bounty Hunters up to £5.75 - A fool and his money are soon parted, I guess. If people are willing to pay 15% rake then it makes sense for Sky to charge 15% rake, but compared to other sites, it's terrible. I know quite a few players (myself included) refuse to play these because of the 15% rake. Of course, I wouldn't play Bounty Hunters much anyway, but if I wanted to play them, I would be discouraged by the 15% rake. Think this needs looking at and possibly dropping to 10%, like the rest of the industry. 4) Lack of micro stakes timed tournaments  - There's two £3.30 Timed Tournaments, one at 19:05 and another a bit later. The rest are £5.50 and above. I reckon that a couple of £1.10 and £2.20 Timed Tournaments would be a welcome addition to the lobby. Also a couple of 60 minute ones with smaller buy-ins, I think the smallest 60 minute Timed Tournament is £11? Why no 60 minute, £3.30 Timed Tournaments? Can understand from Sky's point of view that only 30p rake for someone playing for an hour is rubbish, and they'd probably make more if that same person sat at a 4NL table, but at least give us a 60 minute, £5.50 Timed Tournament or two. 5) Bigger Omaha tournament  - There's quite a few Omaha players on the site, surely there's room for a nightly £5.50 tournament with a decent guarantee? If the £5.50 PLO8 tournament can meet the £100 guarantee every night, then surely PLO can as well. 6) Lack of £1.10 PLO8 game in the evenings  - I realise that PLO8 is never going to be as popular as Hold'em. However, there's 3 £1.10 PLO8 tournaments at 11:55, 14:55, and 16:55, but nothing when people get home from work. I've not played PLO8 for a while, so idk how many people are playing them, but another one a bit later in the evening would surely encourage more people who haven't played PLO8 before to give PLO8 a try. Either that, or there's PLO Freerolls at weekends, maybe do a PLO8 Freeroll as well sometime? 7) NLH/Omaha Mixed tournament - We've got Hold'em and Omaha on here, so surely this would be possible? Could be fun :) If I've missed anything, add it to this thread :)
    Posted by EvilPingu
    1.  Why are antes a good thing?

    2.  I agree.  The more freezeouts the better.

    I agree that Russian Roulettes are a gimic.   They're basically a coin flip.

    However, I disagree that Bounty Hunters and Timed Tournaments are a gimic.  Perhaps there is more luck involved than in a several hundred player, several hour MTT.  However, there is still proper poker to be played.


    3.  Yeah, I dunno what other sites get away with.  But anything over 10% seems a bit of a liberty.


    4.  I actually think the opposite.  Most are £5 like you say.  But almost all the rest are split between £2 and £3.  There used to be a nightly £20 which they should bring back.  There also used to be a nightly £10 which still exists; but there should be a few more.  

    AFAIK there are loads of £2 and £3 (which should stay).  They dont really need more.  

    5.  to 7.   Cannot comment. 


  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,947
    edited June 2012
    the biggest thing missing is £11 freeze outs in the evening, just all BH's
  • simonnatursimonnatur Member Posts: 330
    edited June 2012
    I dont get why some consider antes to be a critical factor. surely this just allows a slight adjustment to be made to the structure of a tourney. Seems to me this could be done just as easily by tinkering with the blind levels if need be.
  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited June 2012
    Great post pingu agree fully with all of that pretty much :) more mid stake freezeouts with decent guarantees (22/55£). Also i think the nightly 110 pounders should be scrapped for now and a weekly 20k GTE should be introduced, or 15k gte either way way better than the current 45 runner ones.
  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited June 2012
    +1

    Completely agree!!

    Been looking to play some tourneys over the bank holiday weekend and there's very little in the way of £11+ freezeouts at any stage.  Players love bounty hunters on sky but there are a lot of people who don't who have to: 
    (a) play the bounty hunters as there's no other option;
    (b) play cash or sng's instead
    (c) not play at all.

    Agree with 1267 that £22 / £33 etc tourneys would be great for the evening.........no guarantee required just put them in.  Especially now that sync breaks have happened, there's likely to be much more interest in them.

    There was a £55 timed tourney yesterday that got a few runners so there are players willing to buy into higher tournies if given the opportunity.


  • sikassikas Member Posts: 857
    edited June 2012
    +100000 to pingu/1267/bhoys!
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,706
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule:
    the biggest thing missing is £11 freeze outs in the evening, just all BH's
    Posted by rancid
    Watch this space, & feel free to hold your breath.......
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,706
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule:
    I must admit that I skipped over the end of the post - When people start talking about Omaha I start looking for something else to do - but I concur with just about everything you say, young chap. I would assume that the lack of £11 freezeouts is down to Sky not wanting to impact on the Main Event numbers with another, reasonably large buy-in tournament. They would probably see them as being competing events, rather than complementary.
    Posted by BorinLoner
    There speaks someone who has thought it through. Can I assume you are in business?

    However, with timing, it can be done without cannibilising much else. And will be.
  • ACEGOONERACEGOONER Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule:
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule : There speaks someone who has thought it through. Can I assume you are in business? However, with timing, it can be done without cannibilising much else. And will be.
    Posted by Tikay10
    Bit of a double edged sword this one. True on one hand you dont want mtts at say £11 or £22 to impact on the ME numbers and commercially I understand why sky have the schedule as it currently is, however, as I have said before sky miss out on a lot of casual players who are not prepared to stay up till 12-1am to bink a mtt during a schoolnight. Lets face it there are far more recreational players around than regs and pros, its these players that sky wants to attract from other sites.

    The schedule before 8pm consists of satelittes, satellites ohh and more satellites with not one decent tournie starting at 7pm. As someone else said there doesnt have to be guarantees, try a few £11 and £22 buyins offer a £1k gtee as an inducement and see how it goes. There are over 2000 people on the site post 6pm so these gtees should easily be met and surpassed, the regs can then mutlitable their hearts desire. 

    Tbh the mtt schedule on sky needs to be ripped up and rethought. Turbos are very popular on other sites but they are conspicuous by their absence on sky. 

    The OP from evilpingu speaks a lot of sense.   
  • Tikay10Tikay10 Member, Administrator, Moderator Posts: 173,706
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule:
    In Response to Re: Sky's tournament schedule : Bit of a double edged sword this one. True on one hand you dont want mtts at say £11 or £22 to impact on the ME numbers and commercially I understand why sky have the schedule as it currently is, however, as I have said before sky miss out on a lot of casual players who are not prepared to stay up till 12-1am to bink a mtt during a schoolnight. Lets face it there are far more recreational players around than regs and pros, its these players that sky wants to attract from other sites. The schedule before 8pm consists of satelittes, satellites ohh and more satellites with not one decent tournie starting at 7pm. As someone else said there doesnt have to be guarantees, try a few £11 and £22 buyins offer a £1k gtee as an inducement and see how it goes. There are over 2000 people on the site post 6pm so these gtees should easily be met and surpassed, the regs can then mutlitable their hearts desire.  Tbh the mtt schedule on sky needs to be ripped up and rethought. Turbos are very popular on other sites and they are conspicuous by their absence on sky.  The OP from evilpingu speaks a lot of sense.   
    Posted by ACEGOONER
    Wish it were only "double-edged"!

    There are scores of criteria to meet & evaluate, & it's not possible to please everyone.
     
    As I noted above, watch this space for a very imminent change.

    The schedule won't be "ripped up" though, it's working well, but it could always be better, & Sky Poker will keep trying to do that.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2012

    8) Look at the selection of turbo MTT's available.

    The old 200 runner 10pm velocity, £5.50 buy in, £1,000 gtd.

    Became....

    10pm velo, £5.50 rebuy, £500 gtd.... (with a smaller version of the same tournaments starting @ 9-40)

    Became....

    10.10pm velo, £5.50 rebuy, £500 gtd with a new 'improved??' standard freezeout structure...(with a smaller version of the same tournaments starting @ 9-40)

    Within a week it became...

    10.10pm velo, £5.50 rebuy, £400 gtd with a standard, non-turbo freezeout structure. (with a smaller version of the same tournaments starting @ 9-40)

    -----------------------------------

    It seems every single change made to this tournament, has resulted in it becoming less and less popular.

    How about putting it back to how it was? OR scrapping it altogether and having a Thews @ 10, @ 10 every night of the week?


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    - Is there any need to have 3 different names for turbo MTT's? (Scary/Speed/Velocity) 

    - The lobby filters, can we have the types of tournaments included in the filter box, so the facility actually becomes useful and aids lobby navigation. 
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