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NL20 - odd Kings

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited June 2012 in The Poker Clinic
what do we do on river, oppo seems pretty straight forward


1. value shove - £14 behind, £15 pot
2. c/c
3. other

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
PIPERTUNE Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £11.70
SPENO10 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £51.71
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
rancid Raise   £0.80 £1.10 £20.40
Cuthy_bhoy Call   £0.80 £1.90 £16.48
qazokm Raise   £3.20 £5.10 £48.48
PIPERTUNE Fold        
SPENO10 Fold        
rancid Call   £2.40 £7.50 £18.00
Cuthy_bhoy Fold        
Flop
   
  • 8
  • Q
  • Q
     
rancid Check        
qazokm Bet   £4.00 £11.50 £44.48
rancid Call   £4.00 £15.50 £14.00
Turn
   
  • 2
     
rancid Check        
qazokm Check        
River
   
  • 6
     
rancid mmmmm
        
 
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  • mattlessmattless Member Posts: 194
    edited June 2012
    I would shove pre but as played his check on turn to me says ak. Still probably c/c river though
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2012
    i'd bet ~ £7 considering the range you want him calling with

    i'd also just have b/called the flop with the spr as it was
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2012
    sorry i wrote my last post thinking you had 3bet pre, c/cing the flop is good then. i'd have got it in pre w/o more specific reads though
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2012
    as readless as you are I'd 4b pre

    Villain's line looks fishy, he has qq! Idk, quite a tough spot imo, would he check back with a q trying to trap you? AA? I probz bet like £5 with the intention of folding to a shove and then call the shove
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP Member Posts: 351
    edited June 2012
    got to bet to try to get value from AK, JJ and others. checking is a crime gives villian an easy value check behind with this range, shoving gives him more reasons to fold. 
    Sizing is the way to go I think, theres plenty of value left on the river you have under repped your hand a bit and villian is straight forward so check behind on turn with trips is somewhat discounted, he is more likey to have AA, AK, JJ. ( Id remove some AAs because of big 3 bet pre) giving that, target his losing range with a 3/5 - 1/2 pot size bet something like that.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2012
    it isn't a big 3b pre, it's pretty standard
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: NL20 - odd Kings:
    it isn't a big 3b pre, it's pretty standard
    Posted by percival09
    i disagree, i think it is pretty big otb given that we're only 100bbs deep
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2012
    fair point. What I meant was, I think villain probz uses the 3x +1 caller sort of thing.. so to him it's a standard size 3b.. it's not like he's made it so big so you can instantly narrow his range down to AK ... I think it's just standard to him.. I don't even know what I'm talking about. Do you get me at all? lol
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  • TWRAMYEPTWRAMYEP Member Posts: 351
    edited June 2012
    not trying to discount AA far from it was just trying to reduce AA a little, looking at it again I can see that was a little optimistic, still AK, JJ  more likely than AA
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2012
    Prob just 4b pre

    call flop fine. Against some villains I would be tempted to c/r. 

    River meh, think I jam, definitely an argument to bet small though. Don't like checking. 

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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2012
    Thanks for replies

    Actually shoved river, kinda thought it turned my hand into a bluff or value shove - really don't know :S

    Don't think I actually like b/f river either. would have to be £4ish ?

    the problem I have with flatting the 3 bet pre is like what else does oppo think I do that with ?
    But I kinda took the line of, lets get lower prs give us some monies, but not sure I like this anyway :S







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