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NL20 - nut flush so whats your problem?

rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
edited June 2012 in The Poker Clinic

oppo is solid reg
does anyone b/f river or should we c/f
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
rancid Small blind   £0.10 £0.10 £48.63
chrisis85 Big blind   £0.20 £0.30 £14.21
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • A
     
blackbeltb Call   £0.20 £0.50 £44.13
probthe Fold        
rancid Raise   £0.90 £1.40 £47.73
chrisis85 Call   £0.80 £2.20 £13.41
blackbeltb Call   £0.80 £3.00 £43.33
Flop
   
  • 9
  • 7
  • 9
     
rancid Bet   £1.50 £4.50 £46.23
chrisis85 Fold        
blackbeltb Call   £1.50 £6.00 £41.83
Turn
   
  • 8
     
rancid Bet   £3.00 £9.00 £43.23
blackbeltb Call   £3.00 £12.00 £38.83
River
   
  • 3
     
rancid Bet   £6.00 £18.00 £37.23
blackbeltb Raise   £18.00 £36.00 £20.83
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2012
    Bet the flop and turn bigger. Half pot is just leaving so much value behind.

    B/f river, you can get value from trips, JT, and worse flushes, but I doubt any of those will raise you. I probably b/c because I'm a massive station, then complain about Sky being rigged when he flips over JT of hearts. :') 
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  • Curt360x27Curt360x27 Member Posts: 490
    edited June 2012
    I would say b/f £8-£10 on the river.
    You should never c/f or c/c the river. When he raises the river your beat, but it's still tough to lay down.

    b/f the river and be happy about it, he's probs got 77 or 99. You've played the hand far better than him though.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2012
    your bet sizings are too small on each street imo, I like smaller bets, and maybe the flop's ok, but I'd def go higher than 1/2 pot on the turn

    villain lims pre, calls a 3b after a cold caller in the big blind, it looks like a pp so he's probz got 77. Would villain raise a flush on the turn? Probz, but I don't know... you just have to know whether he'd raise a flush to know whether youc an call or not
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  • liamboi11liamboi11 Member Posts: 2,141
    edited June 2012
    this guy is the tightest i`ve played he has you crushed defo

    but i think you played it fine imo
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  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited June 2012
    Well, let's make it simple: You're getting 3/1 on your money so is he bluffing/value-betting with trips, a flush or a straight a quarter of the time in this spot?

    I dunno. Totally read dependent about whether he could do that... but you only have to be winning one time in four... I probably would just tell myself that and gormlessly click the call button. You might want to give it more thought than that, though.
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  • SwogSwog Member Posts: 483
    edited June 2012
    more on the flop and turn.
    I make it 3/4 to pot on river, then if raised you can easily let go of the hand.

    Blank out player name too.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: NL20 - nut flush so whats your problem?:
    Well, let's make it simple: You're getting 3/1 on your money so is he bluffing/value-betting with trips, a flush or a straight a quarter of the time in this spot? I dunno. Totally read dependent about whether he could do that... but you only have to be winning one time in four... I probably would just tell myself that and gormlessly click the call button. You might want to give it more thought than that, though.
    Posted by BorinLoner

    +1
    sigh easiest b/f in the world

    thanks for replies everyone
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2012
    Im no genuis but we're only beat by TJhh, T6hh, 56hh

    I think folding is crazy. I might be wrong but whatttttt!!!!!!

    Edit just re-read board. Ignore comment. Yeah awkward spot
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited June 2012

    I would say vs blackbelt you are losing, I always am!

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  • 12671267 Member Posts: 936
    edited June 2012
    never ever ever folding here myself.
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited June 2012
    you under repped the flush so he might think his a9 is good here . minimum set, max fh, 1 you win 1 u lose, are you feeling lucky punk :-)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2012
    Bet more on flop and turn. If you decide to bet river bet bigger

    Rest depends on reads. Solid reg open limps  CO? Smells like a pp to me. If you are pretty sure it's a pp then c/f. I would b/c v a random, b/ f is fine if he is tight and limps a good few hands, but bet bigger for value. Your river sizing may induce a bluff if he's got some game but from other posts he sounds like a nitreg
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  • BigHawk89BigHawk89 Member Posts: 627
    edited June 2012
    Fold against this villian. Think he has 77 or 89 suited.

    Just a quick question do you have to blank out the names if you are not showing the hole cards? Because most of the hands on the clinic are opponent based, some players i would snap call here but this one its a sigh fold.

    Im guessing you called here and saw the full house?
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  • Wacko90Wacko90 Member Posts: 906
    edited June 2012
    Against this oppo your winning about 1% of the time and thats serious :) easy lay down with notes. Ul :) looks like 77 or j 10 hh to me
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  • SwogSwog Member Posts: 483
    edited June 2012

    you only have to be ahead 25% of the time on the river. Put your self in his shoes if he had a house, he'd surely be making a raise on turn at the least. Plus you would make a bigger raise on the river to try and get value from a flush. Can't see how you can fold as played.

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  • weedgiweedgi Member Posts: 103
    edited June 2012
    prob the only opponent u can fold against , im calling vs just about evryone else at this level
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2012
    come on guys, seriously how is capable reg going to raise river for value with 9x or Q high flush

    If oppo raises river versus me then they must think I am a proper station to call with 2 pr :S

    how is river raise anything else apart from house ?




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  • SwogSwog Member Posts: 483
    edited June 2012
    what kind of capable reg weak raises the river with house here?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: NL20 - nut flush so whats your problem?:
    come on guys, seriously how is capable reg going to raise river for value with 9x or Q high flush If oppo raises river versus me then they must think I am a proper station to call with 2 pr :S how is river raise anything else apart from house ?
    Posted by rancid
    If he's capable he can bluff river.  From reads other people have sounds like an easy fold. Also you can easily have over pairs here, it's 10nl and some players call with AA etc here (not suggesting you do)
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: NL20 - nut flush so whats your problem?:
    In Response to Re: NL20 - nut flush so whats your problem? : If he's capable he can bluff river.  From reads other people have sounds like an easy fold. Also you can easily have over pairs here, it's 10nl and some players call with AA etc here (not suggesting you do)
    Posted by grantorino
    what hand would oppo turn into a bluff on river, is oppo seriously floating me on that board through two streets to bluff river - surely turn is where oppo would bluff :s
    even if I have AA I only call if I think oppo is bluffing :s
    So even with nut flush, I am in the same spot here.
    fact that the raise comes on river and not turn makes this an easy b/f imo even if oppo is a seriously aggro bluffy player !
    Can't see many regs at nl20 raising Q high flushes for value either on that board.

    btw GT it's nl20, moving on up buddy !
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