what do we do on the river?

jams88

check behind or bet for value? i often find that whichever i do in a situation like this i have made the wrong descion

layer	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
newstar	Small blind		£0.05	£0.05	£15.38
qazokm	Big blind		£0.10	£0.15	£10.68
	Your hole cards	J J
mattless	Fold
jams88	Raise		£0.30	£0.45	£13.05
AFFMAHEED	Fold
Jacksam	Call		£0.30	£0.75	£4.18
newstar	Call		£0.25	£1.00	£15.13
qazokm	Call		£0.20	£1.20	£10.48
Flop
		10 6 4
newstar	Check
qazokm	Check
jams88	Bet		£0.90	£2.10	£12.15
Jacksam	Fold
newstar	Call		£0.90	£3.00	£14.23
qazokm	Fold
Turn
		2
newstar	Check
jams88	Bet		£2.20	£5.20	£9.95
newstar	Call		£2.20	£7.40	£12.03
River
		K
newstar	Check
jams88	Bet		£2.70	£10.10	£7.25
newstar	Raise		£5.40	£15.50	£6.63
jams88	Call		£2.70	£18.20	£4.55
newstar	Show	K 10
jams88	Muck	J J
newstar	Win	Two Pairs, Kings and 10s	£16.83		£23.46

patwalshh

check fold this river. I know its easier said than done.

Slykllist

Check call river unless he jams, then fold

BorinLoner

Chaps, we're in position so check-folding or check-calling isn't possible.

Anyway, a value bet's fine after he checks to you. You've just been unlucky to be outdrawn but after he checks you shouldn't put him on a King. It's only a thin value bet but his line looks most like a Ten (Which is exactly what he had until he sucked out). You should bet a little bit more actually. About half-pot is probably fine to get value from a Ten.

When he check-raises the minimum it's probably alright to call because of the pot odds. 6/1 odds means he only has to be doing something weird one time in seven for it to be a break even call. If he'd raised more then you should fold because he's very unlikely to raise with worse than JJ here.

Checking behind wouldn't be terrible but it would be missing value in the long term.

percival09

b/f

rancid

b/f but hey oppo can't have a king right - sigh

jams88

dam click raises curiousity often gets the better of me. Nearly checked behind on the river but then thought essentially the 10 was a blank so was missing value, sigh wrong again

percival09

the value bet was good, but I doubt he's ever raising with worse than JJ. He's never raising 10x for value that's for sure. Only K10 really makes sense

I'd only check behind if I'm vs villain who's awesome and is capable of outplaying me a lot of the time

BorinLoner

In Response to Re: what do we do on the river?:

dam click raises curiousity often gets the better of me. Nearly checked behind on the river but then thought essentially the King was a blank so was missing value, sigh wrong again
Posted by jams88

I assume you meant the King... but you weren't wrong. You made a good value bet and were unlucky. KT is literally the only King in his range. The wrong decision would have been to check it back. Don't be results orientated...

The call is just one of those things. I'd make it because it's so small and weird. The pot-odds are excellent so it's a very defensible call. I don't think you made any real mistake in this hand.

jams88

In Response to Re: what do we do on the river?:

In Response to Re: what do we do on the river? : I assume you meant the King... but you weren't wrong. You made a good value bet and were unlucky. KT is literally the only King in his range. The wrong decision would have been to check it back. Don't be results orientated... The call is just one of those things. I'd make it because it's so small and weird. The pot-odds are excellent so it's a very defensible call. I don't think you made any real mistake in this hand.
Posted by BorinLoner

yeah meant king. Thanks for the input all nice to hear there is not much wrong maybe i am slowly getting better at this game