bad beat yet again

PrendeyLAD

PrendeyLAD	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£2.09
	Your hole cards	Q A
GEO68	Fold
bigrick91	Raise		£0.12	£0.18	£3.85
trebor6106	Call		£0.12	£0.30	£1.76
s2pot	Fold
PrendeyLAD	Raise		£0.24	£0.54	£1.85
bigrick91	Call		£0.16	£0.70	£3.69
trebor6106	Call		£0.16	£0.86	£1.60
Flop
		6 K Q
PrendeyLAD	Bet		£0.20	£1.06	£1.65
bigrick91	Fold
trebor6106	All-in		£1.60	£2.66	£0.00
PrendeyLAD	Call		£1.40	£4.06	£0.25
PrendeyLAD	Show	Q A
trebor6106	Show	6 6
Turn
		A
River
		9
trebor6106	Win	Three 6s	£3.75		£3.75

GREGHOGG

Hello

This isnt a bad beat, you got it in when behind when you could have folded...

But as this is the clinic...

sit with 100bbs, raise bigger pre, bf flop

EDIT for clarification, a "bad beat" is when you get it in massively ahead and get outdrawn, a cooler is where both players have to get their money in because both have strong hands. This situation (50bbs deep) is much closer to a cooler than a bad beat...  as played, you can fold tho!

KAM99

Ok, lets clear up a few things wrong with your post. Firstly its not a bad beat, you were behind ALL the time. His hand is slightly better than yours preflop, and is massively ahead on the flop. So where exactly are you thinking the badbeat is?

Next lets focus on how the hand was played. You min raised with AQ OOP with what intention? You aren't going to fold out much with a min raise preflop as they get good odds to call, and more so if both call. On the flop you lead out weakly showing signs you aren't that keen on the board, and then oddly decide to call the shove with second pair.

Lastly, you are playing cash table without being  topped up to the max buyin, which isn't generally optimal for playing cash tables as your big hands get paid off less. Yes short stack poker can work in the hands of people that play that type of poker well, but its not generally great in most peoples eyes.

So all in all your post is wrong for a whole lot of reasons, but don't take this as me being mean, jsut hopefully pointing out the flaws in your thinking so you can use it constructively.

silentbob

This isn't a bad beat as you were never ahead at any point.

I know this is NL4 but when he shoves on the flop did you ever think about what he might have? You're behind to any Kx hand let alone a set.

TINTIN

In Response to Re: bad beat yet again:

Ok, lets clear up a few things wrong with your post. Firstly its not a bad beat, you were behind ALL the time. His hand is slightly better than yours preflop, and is massively ahead on the flop. So where exactly are you thinking the badbeat is? Next lets focus on how the hand was played. You min raised with AQ OOP with what intention? You aren't going to fold out much with a min raise preflop as they get good odds to call, and more so if both call. On the flop you lead out weakly showing signs you aren't that keen on the board, and then oddly decide to call the shove with second pair. Lastly, you are playing cash table without being  topped up to the max buyin, which isn't generally optimal for playing cash tables as your big hands get paid off less. Yes short stack poker can work in the hands of people that play that type of poker well, but its not generally great in most peoples eyes. So all in all your post is wrong for a whole lot of reasons, but don't take this as me being mean, jsut hopefully pointing out the flaws in your thinking so you can use it constructively.
Posted by KAM99

+1 and put miles better than i ever could

percival09

you should only sit with max if you think you have an edge on opponents. No point sitting with max and topping up if youre a beginner

KAM99

In Response to Re: bad beat yet again:

you should only sit with max if you think you have an edge on opponents. No point sitting with max and topping up if youre a beginner
Posted by percival09

And actually sitting at ring games in general can be not the best idea if a beginner, as its the one place you can burn a lot of money very quickly if people have the edge over you. Like anything you pay to learn, but the price can get high if playing cash rather than something with a fixed price for your time like a SnG.

pod1

cant believe you paid off trebor with middle pair!!!!

Slykllist

In Response to Re: bad beat yet again:

Ok, lets clear up a few things wrong with your post. Firstly its not a bad beat, you were behind ALL the time. His hand is slightly better than yours preflop, and is massively ahead on the flop. So where exactly are you thinking the badbeat is? Next lets focus on how the hand was played. You min raised with AQ OOP with what intention? You aren't going to fold out much with a min raise preflop as they get good odds to call, and more so if both call. On the flop you lead out weakly showing signs you aren't that keen on the board, and then oddly decide to call the shove with second pair. Lastly, you are playing cash table without being  topped up to the max buyin, which isn't generally optimal for playing cash tables as your big hands get paid off less. Yes short stack poker can work in the hands of people that play that type of poker well, but its not generally great in most peoples eyes. So all in all your post is wrong for a whole lot of reasons, but don't take this as me being mean, jsut hopefully pointing out the flaws in your thinking so you can use it constructively.
Posted by KAM99

^^ THIS

grantorino

Flat or raise bigger pre

Check flop. If you do bet bet bigger. Fold to the raise

Spad3s

HA
HA

Pipunch

You need to be thinking about what he could have.

Calling 3-bets pre-flop then shoving screams set. If not though you're losing to AK, KQ, any K.

Also any broadway cards or flush draws have a decent shot at outdrawing you. TJd for instance would actually have probably been a favourite.