Weird spot 50nl

BigHawk89

Hand History #532520409 (12:33 18/06/2012)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
nemo547	Small blind		£0.25	£0.25	£16.53
hickup	Big blind		£0.50	£0.75	£20.48
	Your hole cards	J A
BigHawk89	Raise		£1.50	£2.25	£49.25
ChirpyChip	Call		£1.50	£3.75	£68.01
nemo547	Call		£1.25	£5.00	£15.28
hickup	Call		£1.00	£6.00	£19.48
Flop
		J 10 Q
nemo547	Check
hickup	Check
BigHawk89	Check
ChirpyChip	Check
Turn
		K
nemo547	Bet		£4.00	£10.00	£11.28
hickup	Fold
BigHawk89	Call		£4.00	£14.00	£45.25
ChirpyChip	All-in		£68.01	£82.01	£0.00
nemo547	Fold
BigHawk89

BigHawk89

I know i have the nuts but am i right to call even if i put my oppo on the ace with the redraw to flush? or is this just a call and hope to chop?

gracie24

you are getting 3/1 on yr money and his odds of hitting are also 3/1 - so it is a case off are u feeling lucky p**k?

grantorino

No idea where those 3/1 figures are coming from

You need to call roughly 45 to win roughly 31 assuming he always has Acxc. You have Jc which I think makes villain around 18% to hit

Ev of calling = (31*.82)-(45*.18)=17.32

That's hugely +EV against only the nuts with redraw. Sometimes he has no redraw and on a rare occasion he may turn up with worse. Most of my figures are estimates so could be out a bit, but pretty certain it's a call

Pipunch

I would guess he's just got an ace. Insta call.

_ARAZI_

Chirpy def has an ace and your flat on turn makes it look as if your drawing on the double suited board so he is charging you full price imo.


100% snap.

rancid

can't think of a Acxc hand oppo shows up with here

maybe AK but wouldn't think so

oppo just protecting against FD's

yeah slight chance oppo has Acxc, but hey ho we can't fold can we :S

silentbob

Question:

In a cash game, if we're calling to chop (which it looks like we're probably doing here) then isn't that a bad thing? I thought I read/heard somewhere that you shouldn't really call for a chop in ring games because of the rake.

Also, is it possible that chirpy could have a 2p hand & repping more? I've never played anywhere near these levels so no idea on how people play up there. If that scenario is possible then I guess it's a call.

KAM99

In Response to Re: Weird spot 50nl:

Question: In a cash game, if we're calling to chop (which it looks like we're probably doing here) then isn't that a bad thing? I thought I read/heard somewhere that you shouldn't really call for a chop in ring games because of the rake. Also, is it possible that chirpy could have a 2p hand & repping more? I've never played anywhere near these levels so no idea on how people play up there. If that scenario is possible then I guess it's a call.
Posted by silentbob

Depends how much the rake is, and how much you've put in, and if others have put money in. In this case as a 3rd person has put reasonable amount in it is ok. But yes it sucks a bit all ins with same hand between 2 players for chops as you lose money on it because of the rake. Only way you fold on a certain chop though is if you've put in less than the rake would be i guess.

Max rake at this level would be £1.80, so thats the loss from the chop.

Pipunch

There's well more than the rake charge been put in the pot by others. Also if the rake is the same or less than you've personally put in then it's an insta call. Even if it's not it's an insta call. I think he had an ace but it's never 100% guaranteed. Whether he has A or a flush draw, any fold here ever is incredibly weak.

1267

Probably call myself. (i cant fold much - ever)

Think it is a fold tho,  hes 100 percent drawing to either flush. your never ever ever ahead.

 is it worth calling to try and chop ?  even if it is a chop, rake is the massive winner

KAM99

In Response to Re: Weird spot 50nl:

Probably call myself. (i cant fold much - ever) Think it is a fold tho,  hes 100 percent drawing to either flush. your never ever ever ahead.  is it worth calling to try and chop ?  even if it is a chop, rake is the massive winner
Posted by 1267

Not really in this one, as the others put over £6 into the pot and max rake on the pot is only ever going to be £1.80 at this level. So even if they chop this hand they should make about £2.50 each (didn't add it up, just roughly).

AMYBR

Folding the nuts fearing redraw................

Why play any hand?

He prob has exactly the hand you fear, but doesnt mean you can/should fold.

rancid

Surely if oppo has re draw to the nut flush then oppo flats turn or raises enough to keep fd's in, shove is only being called by an Ax hand

Surely oppo wants to keep fd's in and hope they hit, unless oppo thinks someone will call the shove with fd

donkeyplop

Just call as I'm pretty sure he had similar hand to you and is protecting against any flush draws.