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internet disconnection question/moral dillema

mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
edited June 2012 in Poker Chat
Hi all, 

I have a question about what to do when someone has an internet issue.

On Monday i was playing the 4k £110 buy in Bounty Hunter. There were approximately 38 runners or so and top 5 got paid.  When we got down to the last 9 runners my internet went down for roughly 5/10 minutes.  Not sure exactly as was frantically trying to get it back up and running.  Anyway I did get it working and when i got back i was last in chips with only 5 big blinds left. (when disconnection happened i was 4th in chips)

i eventually went out in 8th and was a bit annoyed but totally understanding of the matter, but I am curious about what you lot "the community" think??  Is it right at such a crucial stage to "steal" blinds from whoever is disconnected, bearing in mind the huge difference if it was at the start of a tournament when you have 100+ big blinds compared to the latter end when it is at most usually 20 big blinds.

Im pretty sure a lot if not all would say yeah steal, but does this make us any different than thieves?? I am guilty of this too though, if it gets passed to me and big blind is disconneceted i too hit "raise" but this situation did make me think.

I appreciate all comments guys and gals.

Thanks for reading

Mewillows
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  • GollygoshGollygosh Member Posts: 123
    edited June 2012
    IT DOES SEEM WRONG BUT IT IS SO HARD NOT TO DO IT...

    IF I HAVE A LOT OF CHIPS EARLY ON I DON'T NORMALLY DO IT BUT LATER ON, I AM OUT TO WIN AND AS I HAVE MY CHIPS NICKED...

    ONWARDS AND UPWARDS:-)
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2012
    Nah, no problem with it. The only exception would be if you're playing a friend HU and they've disconnected, in which case you should probably wait for them to reconnect for as long as possible.

    If you were heads up in the WSOP Main Event and the other player got a penalty, there's no way you'd fold every hand until they were allowed to sit at the table again.
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  • goldnballzgoldnballz Member Posts: 2,821
    edited June 2012
    If some-one loses connection versus me then thats their bad luck, I'm defo stealing.

    Harsh but fair :)
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  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2012
    steal the blinds....its not a team game :)

    also stalling to give the disconnected person time can also cost you as the blinds go up etc
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  • elldixon18elldixon18 Member Posts: 64
    edited June 2012
    Haha you say you've stolen peoples blinds after them disconnecting all the time,
    then when it's happened to you, you want to get all philosophical about it!

    Jeez.
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  • kidwiz10kidwiz10 Member Posts: 569
    edited June 2012
    Yea i gotta agree it may make you feel guilty but im pressing raise as quick as i can!

    I wouldnt expect any1 else to fold to me , i seen about 2 year ago on one of the 8pm events on sky sumone got disconnected for the heads up and ppl wer saying dont steel its wrong wait for him to come back bla bla in the chat..

    Whats he do let the time bar go right the way down every hand then take the blind which might be generous as thats what 15 seconds per hand? but with the difference between 1st and 2nd probley bein in the £500 department hello no am i doin that!

    And i couldnt see any REG or anyone doin this and id call them stupid if they did your there to make money i wouldnt class it as stealing more of the term of once on a blue moon offer now take it

    What would make you feel worse??

    1.You take it in turns with the blinds so you dont get anywhere and he comes back and wins!

    2.Or u just take the blinds as quick as you can and take 1st and the bigger cash prize

    gotte be option 1 all day im affraid
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  • Padzz77Padzz77 Member Posts: 143
    edited June 2012
    In Response to internet disconnection question/moral dillema:
    Hi all,  I have a question about what to do when someone has an internet issue. On Monday i was playing the 4k £110 buy in Bounty Hunter. There were approximately 38 runners or so and top 5 got paid.  When we got down to the last 9 runners my internet went down for roughly 5/10 minutes.  Not sure exactly as was frantically trying to get it back up and running.  Anyway I did get it working and when i got back i was last in chips with only 5 big blinds left. (when disconnection happened i was 4th in chips) i eventually went out in 8th and was a bit annoyed but totally understanding of the matter, but I am curious about what you lot "the community" think??  Is it right at such a crucial stage to "steal" blinds from whoever is disconnected, bearing in mind the huge difference if it was at the start of a tournament when you have 100+ big blinds compared to the latter end when it is at most usually 20 big blinds. Im pretty sure a lot if not all would say yeah steal, but does this make us any different than thieves?? I am guilty of this too though, if it gets passed to me and big blind is disconneceted i too hit "raise" but this situation did make me think. I appreciate all comments guys and gals. Thanks for reading Mewillows
    Posted by mewillows
    What are the alternatives, though?

    It's against the rules for the people on the table to agree to split the blinds.

    And if you have AA then do you have to fold just because one person is away?  Or can you try and win some chips off the 4 people who are still there?


    I think the site needs to find a solution.  I was affected very badly tonight, being disconnected at least a dozen times.  But unless the site freezes the table until I return, then it's inevitable that I'm gonna be losing chips.  I can't blame the others just for playing on without me.


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  • mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: internet disconnection question/moral dillema:
    Haha you say you've stolen peoples blinds after them disconnecting all the time, then when it's happened to you, you want to get all philosophical about it! Jeez.
    Posted by elldixon18

    I fail to see a point to this comment.............but yes. I see it done all the time and when I started out I see the move as an automatic one. But thenIt happens to me in a bigger buy in tournament and it gets me thinking!!! I'm sorry if this question offended you in any way. 0_o thanks for your............input?
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  • RUNITSRANNRUNITSRANN Member Posts: 12
    edited June 2012
    A very similar thing happened to me in the old £200 roller and when I finally managed to log back on to find myself shorts tacked, in an effort to avoid tilt, i told myself that I could very easily have busted by now. Fortunately I went on to win it :)

    When there are multiple players left and one person has disconnected you have to try and steal his chips. If you don't fight for them, the other players at you table will be getting bigger while you will be getting shorter at this crucial time.

    The real moral dilemma is when the villain disconnects and you are playing hu. I have been on the connected side of this situation a few times and while I did not feel great stealing I did try to steal as fast as I could. Both times I've been in this situation the villains logged back on and won. Karma?
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  • dogcharliedogcharlie Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: internet disconnection question/moral dillema:
    Nah, no problem with it. The only exception would be if you're playing a friend HU and they've disconnected, in which case you should probably wait for them to reconnect for as long as possible. If you were heads up in the WSOP Main Event and the other player got a penalty, there's no way you'd fold every hand until they were allowed to sit at the table again.
    Posted by EvilPingu
    Sorry but if its a "friend" statement dont wash with me surely thats a kind of collusion.

    poker is about winning, theres no friends once you sit down and play
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  • FlyingDaggFlyingDagg Member Posts: 4,146
    edited June 2012
    If I'm playing a final table it's odd on that other players will do it so i'm not going to sit back and fall further behind. I know if i ever get disconnected that 5 other players aren't going to fold to my blinds. Hu is a different matter. i hadn't been on the site long and was playing a cheap HU when the other player got disconnected. I think I folded to his BB a couple of times but wasn't sure what to do. For some reason Boxster was watching and he said something like Well done Dagg very decent of you. He then said give him 5 minutes and if he disconnects again just give him 3 minutes then feel free to take his blinds. I think Boxster even posted praising what I did and we have been friends ever since.
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  • jonjo75jonjo75 Member Posts: 999
    edited June 2012
    I think you have to steal the blinds . If you do not then you are giving the person disconnected an advantage and also you are giving the person who is on the button when its your BB a disadvantage because they would usually raise( and hopefully steal) your blinds if you was there.
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  • SlykllistSlykllist Member Posts: 2,888
    edited June 2012
    It's a harsh reality, but you gotta steal.

    I'll generally stall for the first time it happens but then you have to see it as fair game I'm afraid
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  • Giant811Giant811 Member Posts: 613
    edited June 2012
    IMO there is a massive difference between heads-up and multiple opponents. HU I've folded my blinds before to give my opponents a chance to re-connect, and I have also 'slow stolen' blinds (let time bar run down, only steal if I have a hand, steal every other blind). It is quite tilting if you do the right thing and then don't even get a 'ty for waiting', and if others just steal your blinds as fast as possible when you have the problem (lost £100 last year when disconnecting HU, I think it was a mini main). I wish everyone would agree that fair play is more important than winning (not just in poker, but in life in general), but as you can see from the responses above that's not going to happen.

    With more than 2 players there is nothing that can be done (maybe on the final table with 3 left), as everybody would have to agree to stop playing for it to be fair to everyone, and if there are multiple tables then everyone would fall behind the rest of the field.
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  • bugaloobugaloo Member Posts: 487
    edited June 2012
    agree heads up is very very different to a mtt

    mtt im afraid you cant sit around and wait for the player to re connect as if you do then you will be at a disadvantage almost as much as the player sitting out.

    heads up stt are very different if i no the player and consider them a decent person (online anyway) i will and have waited for them to reconnect

    There was some big games running elsewere last week (around $2k- $3k buyins) and i noticed there was a player disconnected in 6 games heads up the opponent waited for a good hour and it transpired on another forum the two have regular games and the player waiting felt it was right to wait.


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  • 9se7enTr3y9se7enTr3y Member Posts: 30
    edited June 2012
    Buy a better internet connection.  simplezzz

    If you are playing poker for money, you take every advantage you can as long as there is no collusion involved.  In fact the reality is that people SHOULD be taking the free chips.  Its just business.

    It happens to us all, just something we have to live with i am afraid.

    Good luck all.

    Paddy
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  • EvilPinguEvilPingu Member Posts: 3,462
    edited June 2012
    In Response to Re: internet disconnection question/moral dillema:
    Buy a better internet connection.  simplezzz If you are playing poker for money, you take every advantage you can as long as there is no collusion involved.  In fact the reality is that people SHOULD be taking the free chips.  Its just business. It happens to us all, just something we have to live with i am afraid. Good luck all. Paddy
    Posted by 9se7enTr3y
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  • 0mc0mc Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2012
    In Response to internet disconnection question/moral dillema:
    Hi all,  I have a question about what to do when someone has an internet issue. On Monday i was playing the 4k £110 buy in Bounty Hunter. There were approximately 38 runners or so and top 5 got paid.  When we got down to the last 9 runners my internet went down for roughly 5/10 minutes.  Not sure exactly as was frantically trying to get it back up and running.  Anyway I did get it working and when i got back i was last in chips with only 5 big blinds left. (when disconnection happened i was 4th in chips) i eventually went out in 8th and was a bit annoyed but totally understanding of the matter, but I am curious about what you lot "the community" think??  Is it right at such a crucial stage to "steal" blinds from whoever is disconnected, bearing in mind the huge difference if it was at the start of a tournament when you have 100+ big blinds compared to the latter end when it is at most usually 20 big blinds. Im pretty sure a lot if not all would say yeah steal, but does this make us any different than thieves?? I am guilty of this too though, if it gets passed to me and big blind is disconneceted i too hit "raise" but this situation did make me think. I appreciate all comments guys and gals. Thanks for reading Mewillows
    Posted by mewillows
    i played the 5 k roller today. was chip leader when i lost my connection, came back and had lost 15 k chips and in 3rd position. managed to make the final table and did recover finally, but was upset. i guess it may be morally wrong but these days like in most sports you just stick to the rules and if the rules permit you to gain then you go ahead, very difficuly to get a cobsensus on this issue
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,627
    edited June 2012
    @mewillows - Kinda off-topic but good efforts last nite !  Thought the bonus was on for a while!
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  • Poker_FailPoker_Fail Member Posts: 1,755
    edited June 2012
    When there's 4 or 5 players at the table you have to steal really, otherwise the other players will anyway and you'll just be disadvantaged if you don't, HU it could be completely your choice
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