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Horrid river/decision vs wacko
donkeyplop
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What are we doing here vs wacko then?
Most know hes capable of shoving with air, but do you call here???
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceW_MerkillSmall blind £0.10£0.10£29.34igor1966Big blind £0.20£0.30£21.25 Your hole cards99 kcuddedooFold donkeyplopRaise £0.60£0.90£45.35SILKY1978Fold Wacko90Call £0.60£1.50£17.32W_MerkillFold igor1966Fold Flop 493 donkeyplopBet £1.13£2.63£44.22Wacko90Call £1.13£3.76£16.19Turn 7 donkeyplopBet £1.88£5.64£42.34Wacko90Call £1.88£7.52£14.31River 6 donkeyplopCheck Wacko90All-in £14.31£21.83£0.00donkeyplopFold
Most know hes capable of shoving with air, but do you call here???
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceW_MerkillSmall blind £0.10£0.10£29.34igor1966Big blind £0.20£0.30£21.25 Your hole cards99 kcuddedooFold donkeyplopRaise £0.60£0.90£45.35SILKY1978Fold Wacko90Call £0.60£1.50£17.32W_MerkillFold igor1966Fold Flop 493 donkeyplopBet £1.13£2.63£44.22Wacko90Call £1.13£3.76£16.19Turn 7 donkeyplopBet £1.88£5.64£42.34Wacko90Call £1.88£7.52£14.31River 6 donkeyplopCheck Wacko90All-in £14.31£21.83£0.00donkeyplopFold
Comments
To be honest I'd really be tempted to call this. I mean what is he really shoving with here? Straight is pretty unlikely I'd say unless his range includes 56, which it may. Can't see him with 55 and calling flop and turn, and so really only hand I can seem him having that beats you most times is the flush. And are you really shoving the flush? I mean what would you expect to be called by? Seems a bit dubious to me unless I've seen him over shoving with the nuts before I'm inclined to think this is a bluff. Not sure what with, but its either a really weird play with a flush hoping for a call, which is odd to do when its checked to you, as a call is not overly likely. So if a flush I'd have expected more of a value bet that might get called.
Still thats my thoughts, though really struggling to think what hand he calls flop and turn with to still be in there to bluff shove the river. So my read is flush or bluff, and I don't really agree the river is overly great bluff card, as is he really going all this way with a 5? Doubtful I think. So if call or fold I'd like more info on him as to if he does this often with the nuts too.
He does play tighter in cash though.
I thought the same that he either had nothing or the nuts!
Would love to know what he had.
Got to point out that your bet on the turn, being so much smaller proportionally than your bet on the flop, looks very scared of the flush. Then checking the river makes you look extremely afraid. That makes it alot harder to distinguish a bluff from a value shove here.
Wacko's a good player so it could easily be either. I think you've got to go with your read, so the fold's fine.
Bet proportionally the same on the turn as you had on the flop, then bet the river and you'd probably avoid such a difficult decision.
Why not bet fold the river? checking just shows so much weakness so i think he could be doing this with alot wider range than just a flush.
****, maybe he does have the flush, but without reads of him liking to make a shove like this with the nuts when he is only ever getting paid off by a signifcantly strong hand on this board I don't see it. He must have "something" i'd think to call twice, but the shove just gives me that nagging feeling at the base of my spine that says he is at it.
So think I'm more in with the B/F crowd above, but as played I think I may a hero call and either look awesome or look like a fricking fish, but just not sure I buy the shove in this spot over a value bet if he really had it.
P.S good clinc hand, and great shove if it was a bluff, as it is a horrible spot.
I was hoping to catch a bluff by check calling, it was just the size of bet that stopped me. ( i was snap calling anything under a pot sized bet)
Is this wrong/bad then?
Think if your c/c to catch bluffs because you think oppo will bluff this spot then call no matter the amount
Still think bet for value on river, because you get called by worse -
I don't think oppo is bluffing here tbh, but still calls our value bet on river with hands that you beat
Struggling to put oppo on a hand that calls two streets and bluffs river
I think the check on the river is fine, ONLY if your plan is to snap call any bet.
I haven't played this player before but from what I gather he is a good, capable reg.
IMO you should call his river bet as it's so polarized. As his range is polarized, I think this allows him to shove with worse than a set of 99's (lower sets, 2 pair hands) for value.
I'm gonna say you called and he flipped over the A2 diamonds.
Meh he had it didn't he?
I had izzysteer on my table too today. Like busses.................
but dont mind how you played it, good fold. I rekon he had a 4 spades.
EDIT . actually very slim chance he had this ^^
Maybe it was a tight fold but sometimes you have to go with your gut.......................