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Tough Spot
Thoich
Member Posts: 75
| Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | ||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| SHANKS474 | Small blind | £0.10 | £0.10 | £19.50 | |
| Thoich | Big blind | £0.20 | £0.30 | £19.62 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| VINEY73 | Fold | ||||
| mattless | Raise | £0.60 | £0.90 | £18.93 | |
| TAXIMATE | Call | £0.60 | £1.50 | £46.09 | |
| baileycake | Fold | ||||
| SHANKS474 | Fold | ||||
| Thoich | Call | £0.40 | £1.90 | £19.22 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| Thoich | Check | ||||
| mattless | Bet | £1.20 | £3.10 | £17.73 | |
| TAXIMATE | Call | £1.20 | £4.30 | £44.89 | |
| Thoich | Raise | £3.60 | £7.90 | £15.62 | |
| mattless | Raise | £7.55 | £15.45 | £10.18 | |
| TAXIMATE | All-in | £44.89 | £60.34 | £0.00 | |
| Thoich | All-in | £15.62 | £75.96 | £0.00 | |
| mattless | All-in | £10.18 | £86.14 | £0.00 | |
| TAXIMATE | Unmatched bet | £26.87 | £59.27 | £26.87 | |
| Thoich | Show |
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Would be very interested in opinions on how I played the hand, and if you guys would have done anything differently?
Not going to reveal my opponents hands yet as it might influence your feedback, will let you know after a few comments.
Thanks
Comments
Obviously one of them could have a set but they could also have flush draws or hands like ak, aq, a4 or pairs with flush draws....
To be fair, in the heat of the moment I probably don't fold either. I think it would be a really great fold but really difficult too.
I might be wrong about their ranges on this particular hand but I think, generally speaking, this betting pattern is one of very few ways that we can logically put a player on a set and not merely fold out of illogical fear of one.
The only issue is that with pot odds of between 3/1 and 4/1 (if we assume mattless is calling) we only need to have between 25% and 20% chance of winning in this spot in the long-term. I'd expect that if we play this situation a thousand times we won't win it that often, so even with those pot odds I think it's a fold.
This would also be read dependant if you have any as some villians will only shove with nuts some with draws ect
Like you said you have no information on either opponent, so you don't know what there willing to get all there money in with. Also TAXIMATE can never really have a set of JJ's or AA's as he just flatted the open pre. It is also very hard for Mattless to have them hands as we have both blockers. Really to fold this we would have to be putting one player on a set of 44's.
Given TAXIMATE's line, we would expect him to raise the flop initially with a set so I think we can say a large % of his range is a flush draw, Ax, Jx. However when the action is back on him his carefree raise all in does look quite strong so its not impossible.
If any player had a set, I think it would be mattless. His small re raise on the flop looks fairly strong, however we would still need to be nailing his range to 44's to fold. Afterall we are readless, so he could play hands like A4, J4, Ak, AQ and all draws/combo draws like this.
So given the fact we are readless and the pot odds we are getting I think we have to stick our money in.
I think when we're operating in a vacuum it's best not to assume that our opponents are inexperienced. We needn't assign them any great level of skill, but a moderate understanding of the game is something we should credit them with until we see otherwise. I don't think any moderately skilled player would play these weak hands in this way.
As for the whole "Never fold this, readless, 100BB deep", normally I would agree - I'd say we'd been coolered if someone has a set. However, on this ocassion I think we have alot more information from the play in this hand than we would normally expect when only playing 100BB. The reason people normally say that certain things are automatic when 100BB deep is that we're not really deep enough to see enough action to make us believe that we're beat. Here with two opponents, I think we have seen enough action. Yes, we have one Ace and a Jack, but that doesn't negate the possibility of our opponent holding AA or JJ.
Simply saying "I was 100BB deep" is not an excuse for making a call when we have enough information to cause us to reasonably believe we're behind.
behind to one if not two
ez fold versus two )
There are a lot of hands that you could have been up against that you were in good shape against....e.gthey both could have had flush draws!, which you were crushing. e.g if one had qtd and one had 34d you were 60 percent favourite to win the hand.
Set of jacks or aces were made more unlikely since you already held one of each, but you still have 9 percent chance of winning against someone with a set of jacks.
Against a set of fours you had nearly 20 percent.
Against 2 unknowns and at this level my money goes.