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Time to raise?
silentbob
Member Posts: 2,137
I realise this may end up being a bit if a stupid question but I've hardly played in the last 6 months for various reasons, one of which is because I'd totally lost faith in my game (not that it was really ever that great to begin with!) & have found myself questioning some of the simpler points.
So on to the hand. Standard open on the button & given oppo's stack I'm happy to call the 3b & set mine. My reason for flatting the flop is because it's pretty dry & a queen is quite conceivably in his 3 betting range.
My question now is do we raise the turn here given that it's brought in possible straight & flush draws or are we happy flatting here to disguise our hand? Assuming we raise at this point what do we make it?
I've no solid reads on the oppo but from the little I've seen I've got to give him credit for being a decent player for this level. I've been sat with him on 2 tables for about 10 minutes or so & although I can't remember any of his hands going to showdown, I have noticed that he's never limped & only flat called raises pre once or twice. Generally if he's playing then he's coming in for a raise or 3b. FWIW, on both tables he brought in for the max & waited for the blinds to come round rather than posting.
So on to the hand. Standard open on the button & given oppo's stack I'm happy to call the 3b & set mine. My reason for flatting the flop is because it's pretty dry & a queen is quite conceivably in his 3 betting range.
My question now is do we raise the turn here given that it's brought in possible straight & flush draws or are we happy flatting here to disguise our hand? Assuming we raise at this point what do we make it?
I've no solid reads on the oppo but from the little I've seen I've got to give him credit for being a decent player for this level. I've been sat with him on 2 tables for about 10 minutes or so & although I can't remember any of his hands going to showdown, I have noticed that he's never limped & only flat called raises pre once or twice. Generally if he's playing then he's coming in for a raise or 3b. FWIW, on both tables he brought in for the max & waited for the blinds to come round rather than posting.
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Small blind | £0.04 | £0.04 | £8.03 | ||
| OPPO | Big blind | £0.08 | £0.12 | £10.60 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| Fold | |||||
| silentbob | Raise | £0.24 | £0.36 | £9.53 | |
| Fold | |||||
| OPPO | Raise | £0.64 | £1.00 | £9.96 | |
| silentbob | Call | £0.48 | £1.48 | £9.05 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| OPPO | Bet | £0.88 | £2.36 | £9.08 | |
| silentbob | Call | £0.88 | £3.24 | £8.17 | |
| Turn | |||||
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| OPPO | Bet | £1.68 | £4.92 | £7.40 | |
| silentbob | ??? | ||||
Comments
Make it about £3.50 - £4. Slightly bigger than a min-raise and leaving enough back to give the illusion of fold equity. Make it any bigger and you are showing the villian that you are never going to fold.
Good luck with your return and keep flopping sets!
As for how to play the hand. I don't mind a call on flop or reraise there depending on how often villian will fold to flop reraises, though on dry board maybe call is best. If he tends to fold to them then sure I'd milk in postion to turn maybe and then shove or small reraise to try and keep him in if he tends to fold as even a small raises leaves a fairly easy shove on river.
Lot of the time how and when we raise can depend on villian, as lot of it will depend on how passive they are. If aggressive enough you can just call till river and shove etc if you know they likely to fire 3 streets with TPTK or over pair and so on. Anyway, not saying Juggle is wrong, just that I disagreed a little.
I'm going to add to it by going back to your pre-flop call of his 3-bet. I think this is a mistake if your intention is to fold to a c-bet on any flop that doesn't contain a 6. It's too much of your stack to call an extra 6BB and hope to hit, as you'll need to be able to stack him too high a proportion of the time to make it +EV. So to make this pre-flop call fine, you're going to have to believe that you can outplay your opponent through the streets alot of the time; Perhaps floating a flop c-bet, etc... I don't think a "No set, no bet" attitude is going to be profitable.
That said, on the turn I'm with DOHHHHHHH. I think you can call here and allow him to fire on the river before setting him in. You can't really afford to worry about back-door draws and if he hits one this time, you've just got to say it's unlucky. In the long term your set will be good on the river far more often than not.
I don't have any problem with raising the turn either, and I must admit that was my first instinct when I saw the hand. I've been swayed by DOHHHHHHH into thinking that the call is better but both are fine.
set mining versus nits is good )
flat the turn bet.
Let him value town himself if he's holding AQ, KK, AA. There's not many draws to protect from either. Finally, you have a psb left on the river that given your in position can be thrown in if not by villian.
Also, floating regs at microstakes is very fun and should be encoraged. Especially if they like to bet the flop but not the turn. Call one bet and 3/4 pot when checked to = easy money