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Early in BH....should i realise and get away? Felt sick!
profman15
Member Posts: 1,808
Hi folks
Tenth hand of £750 BH and no reads. Should i get away after all in. Expected to be possibly behind to a set or two pair after ReR on Turn but neither had reraised my initial raise. So with TPGK and OESD and with the pot odds of over 5 to 1 and with let's say 3aces, 4x9's and 2xk and 2xQ giving maybe 11 outs surely i'm priced in(not to mention the two bounties).
Maybe i should only consider outs for probable wins so 4x9's and let's say 3xa's as expect one is out. Even so that's 7 outs and gives me something like 28% equity and makes a good bet with the pot odds after AI's.
Is this thinking flawed?
If you were the other players wouldn't you have reraised my initial raise?
How would i even consider ranges after other two just call initially? Perplexing!!
I look forward to you tearing me to shreds guys!!
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For me I fold to the raise on the flop, as I could be so far behind right now its silly on a board thats all over peoples range for 2 pairs and straights. Maybe I'd temper this if I knew the two players were rubbish and it is a BH as well and that does lead to some wild plays early, but otherwise I think I fold and look for a better spot than something like this. But maybe thats just me.
Certainly calling the raise for more than 1/3 of your stack and leaving yourself 955 back in a pot of 2205 is not good. It's a moment to shove or fold and I think it's a fold.
A) It's early and they don't have much information on your opening range.
C) If they just call, they can disquise their hand and play the hand in position.
D) Maybe they don't think about any of A, B or C and just see that they have a good hand and want to see a flop.
Obviously the KT is getting really good pot odds and they've got plenty of chips to play around with. I'm not saying that it's great play to call in the blinds with KT but it's certainly something that shouldn't surprise you.
I actually think that these hands should be fairly prominent in your thoughts when considering your opponents' rages. Alright, AQ is liable to raise more often than call but this certainly isn't a tremendously surprising hand to see.
Very deceptive flop. Very dangerous multiway. Re-shove or fold. Flatting raise is really ugly bud
'If unsure then fold' is a tenet so as i certainly was then it was time to leave the party with my TPGK and OESD after the reraise of my half pot bet? Oh well, i got some kip!!!
Amybr..."open smaller pre"? Why? ITs early and i don't want people fishing with SC's after a min raise at 15/30 level surely.
Let me get it straight. i'm a novice with just over a year's experience and i'm trying to improve through reading books and articles(sometimes too many!!) and through the forum as well as experience. I tend to put up hands that perplex me either through not understanding my opponents play or being unsure as to what my best play was in the situation.
I raised 4xBB early in a BH as players tend to fish early on with suited connectors etc andnot 'stick', as it were. to the normal opening hands and gap principle. The aim was to deter the Robson Green's of this world ie 'fisherman' as it were. Now to my mind that seems a good idea but your query appears to question that. What do you think?
a/p fold to the raise or shove
Oh and best of luck bud.
Firsly, AMYBR, believe me mate, i'm not offended at all or feel you're being rude whatsoever. I appreciate you taking the time to put your opinions to hands. I feel i made an error and could get away after the all-in leaving me 995 but it was the pot odds and ,deep down, two bounties that probably drew me in. We've all done it, i'm sure or seen people catch rediculous outs to set them off in a BH so early.
Hey Jam, ive got and read the book "the mental game of poker" and think its really good. It actually pointed out various feelings i was having playing so succinctly. I'm reading Ace in the Hole at the moment and Winning Poker T's one hand at a time at the moment. Some of it nvolves range balancing which is a bit complex but as an ex maths teacher i should understand it. Its putting it into action correctly thatsthedifficult part. if anyone knows of a good article on it, i'd appreciate it....cheers fellas