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£50 Guaranteed - Set over set

Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
edited July 2012 in The Poker Clinic
This is the £3.30  £50 Guaranteed tourney, was 15 runners left of 18, so still pretty early. What do you think of how the hand played out. When he almost min 3bet my almost minraise on the flop, I had a horrible feeling he had a bigger set but thought he could also be playing JJ+ like this, or if not JJ+ certainly KK+ and I just couldn't bear to lay down a flopped set on that board.

Thoughts?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
cajones Small blind   25.00 25.00 1335.00
Magicalman Big blind   50.00 75.00 1835.00
  Your hole cards
  • 3
  • 3
     
Lambert180 Raise   125.00 200.00 1975.00
newton62 Raise   200.00 400.00 2840.00
NDL Fold        
cajones Fold        
Magicalman Fold        
Lambert180 Call   75.00 475.00 1900.00
Flop
   
  • 3
  • 10
  • 9
     
Lambert180 Check        
newton62 Bet   150.00 625.00 2690.00
Lambert180 Raise   375.00 1000.00 1525.00
newton62 Raise   450.00 1450.00 2240.00
Lambert180 All-in   1525.00 2975.00 0.00
newton62 Call   1300.00 4275.00 940.00
Lambert180 Show
  • 3
  • 3
     
newton62 Show
  • 9
  • 9
     
Turn
   
  • J
     
River
   
  • 10
     
newton62 Win Full House, 9s and 10s 4275.00   5215.00

Comments

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2012
    I know I raised small on the flop and gave him odds to call with draws, but I wanted to extract some value while making the pot big enough to shove most turn cards.
  • Curt360x27Curt360x27 Member Posts: 490
    edited July 2012

    Played the hand fine although you should raise flop more 450+
    Never ever fold here though!

  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2012
    I do virtually the same, may raise slightly bigger on flop though.

    Nh, UL
  • BorinLonerBorinLoner Member Posts: 3,863
    edited July 2012

    I think you'd be hard on yourself to even consider that you could have folded this on the flop. His min-3-bet might look alarming but considering his min-3-bet pre-flop it just looks like this is his modus operandi. Probably inexperienced and that doesn't allow us to narrow his range down to anything other than "something". lol

    I do need to criticise that flop raise, though. You are giving your opponent better than correct odds to call with a flush draw. So if he calls he's not making a mistake and you have done. If he calls and the diamond hits, what do you do? I think this bet is a big warning sign to a decent (though maybe this guy isn't) player and they'll fold anything you beat apart from those flush draws and 9T.

    Maybe they get attached to overpairs, to be fair.

  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2012
    My thinking may be wrong, but as I did say above, on the flop I basically wanted to just make the pot big enough for a nice sized shove on the turn, while at the same time doing some pot control.

    Most of the time the turn is a blank and I've set myself up for a nice jam, and on the odd occasions when the turn is like Jd, or 8d, I can get away from it without having raised so much on the flop that I'm committed.
  • KAM99KAM99 Member Posts: 773
    edited July 2012
    Not going to bother to comment on the bet sizing, as while I'd do it differnt thats not the major thing you asked and the answer to that is simple. You are NEVER folding here with a set. If he has a bigger set, thats life, move on to next game. :)
  • bugaloobugaloo Member Posts: 487
    edited July 2012
    you just cant fold here ever
  • Andyl1986Andyl1986 Member Posts: 73
    edited July 2012
    Hey Lambert,

    Never folding this flop, think you played it fine... ul.  

    I guess you could've folded pre flop utg (i.e. not opened the 33 in the first place)... I'm a nit though :)
  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2012
    nh played well ul
  • bolly580bolly580 Member Posts: 603
    edited July 2012
    most standard hand ever
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