DYM........"Ace rag"?????

profman15

HI folks,
Someone was a bit unhappy with this play by myself as i mentioned pot odds as well as it being a good enough hand in the chat box when he was upset with me calling his 4xBB raise with "ace rag". My play was a little reserved on turn as he may have had a set or flush at one stage and then i gave him chance to bet on river as i thought ace must have hit him by then but surely the call with one other caller already is fine. What do you think as i invited him to see what the forum thought but i don't see him involved in it at all?
It may be early but its relatively cheap and can win me a big pot with odds of 3 to 1. I cant honestly understand his grievance or his attitude. He tilted and went out in sixth....silly IMO.
layerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceaces-steSmall blind 25.0025.001345.00profman15Big blind 50.0075.001895.00 Your hole cardsAJ   WAGGO31Fold    rob1nson13Fold    suzy666Fold    
Raise 200.00275.001565.00aces-steCall 175.00450.001170.00profman15Call 150.00600.001745.00Flop  3JA
Call 300.001200.001265.00aces-steFold    Turn  K
Check    River  A
Check    profman15ShowAJ
ShowQQ   profman15WinFull House, Aces and Jacks1200.00 2645.00

JAM888

Hey Prof, looks like your running good!

Im folding this one pre, im oop its a big % of my stack, you rarely get the right price to draw to your flush or straight draws in dym's, it's a better call in a cash game where we are deeper, john conner wrote an excellent piece on dym's, theres a link here somewhere if you hav nt allready read it, run good!

devonfish5

hi prof,
yes i fold pre....
but then u no how tight i am.   lol
idcu is right...every chip matters later on.
play that hand 1000 times over,how many u going 2 win?
be lucky,

dev

EvilPingu

Fold or 3bet jam pre, I would much favour a fold to 3betting. Calling is just horrible here and never an option.

1267

Good call pre.

Bet the turn.

All-in on river

AMYBR

tbh only mistakes I see here are you putting on the brakes and oppo 4xing button.

He shouldnt be criticising you but thanking you for letting him off so cheep cheep

profman15

Wow...i'd never have thought the concensus was that guys but it would be a boring world if we all did the same and poker wouldn't exist, would it?
I've read the ABC article which is excellent as well as Moshman's sitngo book too. There were reasons for my play which i see as logical including checking etc late on so i can see that my poker is improving after my ist year anniversary at Sky and indeed poker too.
Its gone from basic preflop hand, fit/fold and 'guess' from then on in to a bit more considered and 'logical'. Still enjoying it immensely which is the aim, isn't it?

Batkin88

i don't see a raggy ace

Lambert180

I don't see a raggy ace either but I still think it's a fold pre. Once it gets to 25/50, I don't think you can class it as early any more, every 3x and 4x is a big chunk of your stack, you only need to call a couple of them and check/fold and you've put yourself in trouble.

After that though, definitely bet turn and river.

profman15

In Response to Re: DYM........"Ace rag"?????:

I don't see a raggy ace either but I still think it's a fold pre. Once it gets to 25/50, I don't think you can class it as early any more, every 3x and 4x is a big chunk of your stack, you only need to call a couple of them and check/fold and you've put yourself in trouble. After that though, definitely bet turn and river.
Posted by Lambert180

Yes Lambert...its actually level 3 so mid tournament 'officially' to some people. I still saw the opportunity for a nut flush for 150 chips as good value and the odds given, as i was in bb, good too(3 to 1). The attempt was for a nut flush not two pair so i knew i could still be beaten.I didn't bet after the flop for precisely the dym possibilities of a flush or set with my opponent and would have folded a sizeable bet on turn had he wanted to suggest he had flush. When i caught the Ace on river, i wanted him to have the opportunity to bet as i was fairly certain he had an ace by then. It was QQ so he checked which was fine.

I agree totally with the importance of chip stacks but feel that my play was balanced.
A consensus feel i should fold which was a surprise but thats what the hand was flagged up for...people's opinions. I was just floored at the players comment of "rag ace"...its suited and can give me the nut flush. Maybe the chaps haranging in the chat box was justified in some way but if i'd not hit so well i was in check/fold mould. even TPGK wasn't going t see anymore money from me.

TBH, after being callid AI by someone with 22 on a board with 5 higher cards incl A (i had AA)tonight this chap must have seen worse plays than this. He even had a go at the dealer!!

GELDY

wow DYMs is such a tight game - you guys should try playing omaha

AJs as an occasionally speculative call doesn't seem too bad to me - just not too frequently and part of a mixing it up strategy.

Having hit hard you then need to milk it for as much as possible to pay for all the times you miss - bet the river for sure.

KAM99

Ok, its definately not an Ace rag, so anyone that said that was a muppet you need not listen to anyway, period. In DYM yes can see point in not playing AJ OOP to 4x raise. Other than flop you got or a flush you'd never feel happy with your hand.

As played, I'm ok with the call on the flop, though think a lot of the time I'd raise as its a very draw heavy board. Still as played checking the turn is ok as well. However checking the river is really bad. His check back on the turn means good chance he will check back the river as well unless he has AK or AQ maybe, and even then you never know. Got to bet taht river for value, as with QQ he would call that fair amount of the time, and quite a few other hands as well. So don't give him the option to check behind here ever, as fold or check back you win the same amount as if he folds, so better to try to get some more by betting.

profman15

Hi Geldy and Kam

Betting the river is a fair point.... i tried to trap but should have bet something for sure. cheers

Batkin88

Can you not just shove the big blind here? If not then a call is kinda dodge but as I stated above it's hardly ace rag but a chunk of your stack OOP. Bet river every day of the week however!!

profman15

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Can you not just shove the big blind here? If not then a call is kinda dodge but as I stated above it's hardly ace rag but a chunk of your stack OOP. Bet river every day of the week however!!
Posted by Batkin88

Hi Batkin
TBH, with 40BB, shoving here isn't really looked upon as good play, i feel, as the only players to definitely profit will be the other four. Their equity will undoubtedly go up as i will be short or a player will be out. DYM's tend to have a bit of a 'chicken game' late on with lots of AI's but here it's too early IMO. After all he's lowish and may call w/TT+, AQ+ so i could even be behind pre quite easily. I agree to the bet on river but saw him betting by then so slow played. He didn't but the chip gain was ok for the risk taken, IMO.
I'm not saying its wrong just that i wouldn't do it without a premium hand QQ+ at least at this stage but each to their own...Ha, i may have to now as players may fancy shoving after reading this!.....

biggirl

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Hey Prof, looks like your running good! Im folding this one pre, im oop its a big % of my stack, you rarely get the right price to draw to your flush or straight draws in dym's, it's a better call in a cash game where we are deeper, john conner wrote an excellent piece on dym's, theres a link here somewhere if you hav nt allready read it, run good!
Posted by JAM888

Hey Jam, you got the link to John Connor's blog i can't find it. New to the site so still getting used to it! Thanks!

VespaPX

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In Response to Re: DYM........"Ace rag"????? : Hey Jam, you got the link to John Connor's blog i can't find it. New to the site so still getting used to it! Thanks!
Posted by biggirl

Here you go.
Good luck

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GREGHOGG

Never shove pre here in a dym its really bad and spewy imo

Fold preflop usually.

call is fine, as long as its only to hit diamonds/2 pair against fishy opponants

As played just get as much money in as possible as early as possible...

Batkin88

In Response to Re: DYM........"Ace rag"?????:

Never shove pre here in a dym its really bad and spewy imo Fold preflop usually. call is fine, as long as its only to hit diamonds/2 pair against fishy opponants As played just get as much money in as possible as early as possible...
Posted by GREGHOGG

Pre??? lol In regards to shoving pre I would mean it as a squeeze and to get rid or them pre! However yes I agree as it is a DYM it is a bad move regardless

GREGHOGG

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In Response to Re: DYM........"Ace rag"????? : Pre??? lol In regards to shoving pre I would mean it as a squeeze and to get rid or them pre! However yes I agree as it is a DYM it is a bad move regardless
Posted by Batkin88

No, i mean after hittin top 2 pair

Batkin88

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In Response to Re: DYM........"Ace rag"????? : No, i mean after hittin top 2 pair
Posted by GREGHOGG

I was being sarcastic Mr Hogg