I think they are extremely difficult early doors but because of the fields and last longer aspect I enjoy the mid stages here as you can bully like mad. I was pretty much chip leader for the majority but had a hic cup with Larson when I managed to get into a 100bb flip with Q high lol!
Yeah the mains are pretty much similar but smaller stacks so early on it is quite easy to chip up against the players playing scared.
id stay away from f-ivanovic on 20nl Posted by IDONKCALLU
Don't listen to this advice!!! :P
I am currently 40BI up in about 2 weeks at 20nl though, so I've definitely either been running/playing well!! (or both! Personally I don't avoid playing anyone because I think the challenge of playing other good players helps you get better.
Just seen your AA vs QQ hand batkin, and wanted to know what your thought process was to shoving in almost 200bbs pre-flop with your aces after a single raise? Unless your opponent has exactly QQ or KK then you're never getting a call, and even with QQ most good villains will decide to fold because even though your hand looks like it could be AK, QQ is still only going to be a flip at best. Also, if they had AK they'd know they were either facing AK or racing/miles behind so AK is a snap fold pre.
You're just missing out a ton of value by shoving because your not getting value from the huge majority of villains raising range.
The only case for shoving here is if you knew someone at the table was tilting and would call it off with any reasonable looking holding. edit: Just saw your post at the top of the page. I understand your reasoning now but still don't think it's a good enough reason to shove. It might make QQ more tempted to call a shove (as we saw) but the rest of the hands I still think would be folding.
I've got to agree, the AA hand is played pretty terribly all round (sorry lol). Firstly, we're 300xBB deep, granted only 200xBB effective against others, and have the strongest possible starting hand in hold 'em so we decide to limp?
Even if the villian is a potential spewer over a limper, we're not playing HU, we're playing 6max so we have to think about the rest of the table... what if the villian you're targetting happens to have 72o so just folds, but the rest of the table call and you go 5way to a tiny pot w/ AA feeling rather stupid?
As played, everything will be bad from this point imo, cos limp/3betting or limp/shoving all look stupidly strong as Ivanovic says and will get snap folds from most players with all but about 2 hands. Do you not want to raise/3bet and play pots against AK/AQ/AJ etc... hands that you have completely destroyed... cos this play takes away any opportunity to play against these dominated hands.
FWIW, my only piece of advice to you from seeing you play is that you're bet sizing is way too big. I don't know how often you're 3/4betting light or running bluffs post flop, but assuming that you aint just being a massive nit that is betting for value 100% of the time, then it's in your best interests to make your sizings a bit smaller. Not only does it makes your bluffs cheaper, but it also means when you do have value hands you leave room for your opponent to call with weaker holdings rather than just hoping to have coolered them in a spot where they can't fold to any bet size.
Yes the AA v QQ hand was a unique situation he was calling far far far worse hands there I would expect calls from low suited connecters as much as KK QQ AK AQ here due to previous play and I had done this multiple times prior. I would never ever normally play this like I did but knew I had the opportunity to get the full amount pre flop here by doing what I was hoping he would think was an AK like move.
Thanks for the bet sizing advice Lambert I will take note and give it a go!
Thanks for all the advice especially from you 2 it is appreciated thanks!
You do seem to be taking a more do or die approach to your hands than would seem optimal for cash
now at mtts this may work very well. The oppo values his tournament life and doesn't call you on marginal positions, and you would rather win one mtt and crash out of the other rather than two min cashes.
However neither is relevant to the cash player. It is solely cash in the pot and whether the play is +/-ev. So you may find it harder to bluff off peeps than in mtts.
Yep couldn't agree more I am finding you have to play the cards a lot more in cash and the only players worth bluffing are the better players which makes it all the more harder to do!
I seem to start sessions losing 2/3 BI's then slowly gring em back and end up like a few up, is this normal. It takes me a while to get used to the dynamics and to pick the players to go against so to speak!
Yep couldn't agree more I am finding you have to play the cards a lot more in cash and the only players worth bluffing are the better players which makes it all the more harder to do! I seem to start sessions losing 2/3 BI's then slowly gring em back and end up like a few up, is this normal. It takes me a while to get used to the dynamics and to pick the players to go against so to speak! Any advice? Posted by Batkin88
hey kalie hope you are doing well at the tables.
with regards to losing a buyin`s early on I do this a lot myself but you will get sessions the other way round aswell so don`t worry about it too much, but be good idea check hand history see is you are being spewy in losing these buyin`s or just standard/cooler hands.
also i`m prob wrong person to give advice on this about the dynamics/players at table etc because I usually know and played with a lot of players at these levels so I get involved straight away lol,but what I would suggest is just play a tight abc game game for a few rounds watch the table see what players are having wars vs eacj other/who`s waiting for aces/who`s being aggro etc and then adjust accordingly you have plenty of time at cash table there is no rush to get involved straight away hope this makes sense gl at tables.
Yeah I often start off losing, then spend the session trying to turn it around. Best way to combat it (need to listen to my own advice here!) I imagine is to start off pretty tight, get a feel for the table and players, absorb all the information available. Then loosen up as the session continues and you are more aware of your table and who can be pushed off pots/can't be bluffed.
If you get coolered early doors then fair enough, but I know I sometimes stack off too light before really knowing my table.
Yes great advice thanks guys, I have gone through my hand history and it is 100% a case of spewing and trying to make an impact straight away! I will take note and really put it to practise asap!
Check this hand out, one of the reasons I love this game! Just a complete cooler but a hand he and I will remember for a long time.
BR has taking a hit recently especially since I scrapped the separate rolls idea and just went with an overall roll of £800. I still play the mains via sats mostly but have dropped to £734 ish.
Definitely improving and not massively bothered with the loss as showing improvements and fairly sure I can get this level very soon.
Quick update, had a great weekend on cash across all levels. I did break my BR management plan slightly but for good reason. I wanted to play some of the best on just 1 table for a long period of time so I went nl100 and had launder and scotty77 there and few others throughout the 6 hours I was there. I also found I was playing loads of hands and wanted to prove to myself I can sit play 1 table and play properly! Which I did as I left up 2 BI's.
I had a pretty miserable time in my MTT's only reaching one FT over the entire weekend, luckily it was the £110 BH so I got a decent return.
My roll is now £1.004.57 only £96 more and up a level!
Quick update, had a great weekend on cash across all levels. I did break my BR management plan slightly but for good reason. I wanted to play some of the best on just 1 table for a long period of time so I went nl100 and had launder and scotty77 there and few others throughout the 6 hours I was there. I also found I was playing loads of hands and wanted to prove to myself I can sit play 1 table and play properly! Which I did as I left up 2 BI's.
I had a pretty miserable time in my MTT's only reaching one FT over the entire weekend, luckily it was the £110 BH so I got a decent return.
My roll is now £1.004.57 only £96 more and up a level!
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Teach me please !! :-)
I think they are extremely difficult early doors but because of the fields and last longer aspect I enjoy the mid stages here as you can bully like mad. I was pretty much chip leader for the majority but had a hic cup with Larson when I managed to get into a 100bb flip with Q high lol!
Yeah the mains are pretty much similar but smaller stacks so early on it is quite easy to chip up against the players playing scared.
Even if the villian is a potential spewer over a limper, we're not playing HU, we're playing 6max so we have to think about the rest of the table... what if the villian you're targetting happens to have 72o so just folds, but the rest of the table call and you go 5way to a tiny pot w/ AA feeling rather stupid?
As played, everything will be bad from this point imo, cos limp/3betting or limp/shoving all look stupidly strong as Ivanovic says and will get snap folds from most players with all but about 2 hands. Do you not want to raise/3bet and play pots against AK/AQ/AJ etc... hands that you have completely destroyed... cos this play takes away any opportunity to play against these dominated hands.
FWIW, my only piece of advice to you from seeing you play is that you're bet sizing is way too big. I don't know how often you're 3/4betting light or running bluffs post flop, but assuming that you aint just being a massive nit that is betting for value 100% of the time, then it's in your best interests to make your sizings a bit smaller. Not only does it makes your bluffs cheaper, but it also means when you do have value hands you leave room for your opponent to call with weaker holdings rather than just hoping to have coolered them in a spot where they can't fold to any bet size.
Yes the AA v QQ hand was a unique situation he was calling far far far worse hands there I would expect calls from low suited connecters as much as KK QQ AK AQ here due to previous play and I had done this multiple times prior. I would never ever normally play this like I did but knew I had the opportunity to get the full amount pre flop here by doing what I was hoping he would think was an AK like move.
Thanks for the bet sizing advice Lambert I will take note and give it a go!
Thanks for all the advice especially from you 2 it is appreciated thanks!
I seem to start sessions losing 2/3 BI's then slowly gring em back and end up like a few up, is this normal. It takes me a while to get used to the dynamics and to pick the players to go against so to speak!
Any advice?
Check this hand out, one of the reasons I love this game! Just a complete cooler but a hand he and I will remember for a long time.
Definitely improving and not massively bothered with the loss as showing improvements and fairly sure I can get this level very soon.
Regards,
Kalie x
I had a pretty miserable time in my MTT's only reaching one FT over the entire weekend, luckily it was the £110 BH so I got a decent return.
My roll is now £1.004.57 only £96 more and up a level!
I had a pretty miserable time in my MTT's only reaching one FT over the entire weekend, luckily it was the £110 BH so I got a decent return.
My roll is now £1.004.57 only £96 more and up a level!
Gl to you! I would say you are one of the best players i have played against.
Hope the cash adventure continues well...
And tomorrow night be kind in giving me your chips in the monday night MTT games:D
Pleased my money helped to boost you roll though.